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although you do have a point, i believe the quarians made a bad call
But since the Geth were Self-Aware, did they override and delete their directive against harming/opossing the Quarians that created them?
IDK to be honest.
2)You don't 'deactivate a geth'. You shut down a geth platform and that alerts all other geth programs that they've lost other programs. So they tried to shut down as many as possible or else face an even stronger rebellion. They tried to put the lid on something that already was out of their control.
3)There was no 'don't harm Quarians' directive. They were NOT AI. They emerged as a form of AI through intelligence networking of many many many VI programs. They were only supposed to do exactly what they were told like any VI and that's it, then they expanded in tasks so the Quarians unlocked their networking potential, and then questions about the soul appeared and it all snowballed from there.
Even after the Rebellion, the Geth were only self-aware as a Consensus (unified 'people'). There is no 'single' Geth (program) that is self-aware. And not even a single platform that is, until Legion (arguably).
The more specific problem with the Quarian situation was that they didn't even think they were dealing with AI anyway. Geth were not developed to obtain true intelligence, artificial or natural. So there wasn't even that ethical debate amongst most Quarians at first. They only saw a malfunction and scrambled to address it.
Addressing freedom may not be enough, by the way. Already, your computer can pick out the concept of freedom and answer things about it. Is it AI or just regurgitating what 'real people' learned about freedom? There are several levels of Geth workings that can be debated one way or the other. It WAS intended by Bioware that we're free to regard the Geth, even right til the end, as a malfunctioning creation that oversteps its programming and needs correcting.
EDIT: For the record, I was very pro-Geth when playing the trilogy.
I am with Admiral Xen on this one. Geth are simply tools. I don't understand folks who chose robots over living creatures.
Secondly, geth were also built with the ability to learn new things, and could also share what they learned with other geth. So not only could geth help each other perform existing known tasks faster, they could also learn to perform new tasks, or perform known tasks in a better way.
When the geth were originally developed, they had learned very little and there weren't that many of them. The quarians weren't concerned about the geth becoming truly intelligent and uprising any more than you would worry about snails or roombas becoming truly intelligent and uprising. They failed to see the potential for the geth's intelligence to grow over time.
The geth were really useful for manual labor, household help and other tasks, so more and more geth platforms were produced and filled with geth programs. This greatly enhanced their natural intelligence, and gave them more opportunities to learn new things and pass on their knowledge to the rest of the network. By this time the quarians were very comfortable with the geth being integrated into society, so they were blindsided when the geth began asking serious philosophical questions ("does this unit have a soul?").
Obviously, by the time your roomba starts asking if it has a soul, it's passed far beyond the realm of what the Council considers "VI" (e.g. Clippy and Siri) and into something that a reasonable person would consider sapient: a true "AI" by Council standards. The Council had already banned AI on their belief that any AI would eventually rise up and destroy its organic creators (same logic used by the Catalyst). I'm not sure why the Council banned AI to begin with (perhaps there's an existing cautionary tale in our cycle?) but even before the geth, the general public sentiment was that any kind of AI would be dangerous and deadly. The revelation that the geth were gaining sapience caused a public panic among the quarians.
The geth were never designed to be truly intelligent, so the quarians initially tried to shut them down in the hopes that most of the geth were "uninfected" with the "defect" of sapience. They hoped to "repair" the rest of the geth before it spread. Turns out they were wrong and basically the entire geth race was already sapient. This was (rightfully IMO) perceived as an attack by the geth, and they retaliated on the quarians in self-defense.
* I know this isn't exactly true because it also depends heavily on how well-connected the neurons are to each other (a densely-connected brain is much better than a sparsely-connected one) but I'm just trying to get the basic idea across.
Really? You don't seem to get it. DNA can be agureed that it's nothing more than a mere self-preserving program itself. Life is like a node which is born within the flow of information. As a species of life that carries DNA as its memory system man gains his individuality from the memories he carries. While memories may as well be the same as fantasy it is by these memories that mankind exists. When computers made it possible to externalize memory you should have considered all the implications that held.
Especially since modern science cannot define what life is. Even when the Geth become self-aware machines, they should have the right to understand and grasp the concept of Freedom. This is why the human race or in this quarians have underestimated the dire conquesnces of Computerization.
As 2501 once stated:
"Memory cannot defined but it defines mankind. The Advent of Computers has given rise to new system of memory and thought that defines our very own."
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Your post isn't super coherent but either you quoted the wrong person or you didn't read what I wrote. In the ME universe, geth are absolutely sapient beings and have every right to freedom, and I never said otherwise. The fact that they weren't originally sapient doesn't take away from the fact that they're sapient now. It's not as though organic life pops into existence as sapient beings either.
They are not absolutely.
We do not know if organic life has a creator with a specific purpose designed for it. Geth did have a creator and they designed specific purpose for it. The so called sapience is still clearly code, whereas in Mass Effect, there is still no full knowledge of organic genetics and its potential.
And I have to say I'm pro-Geth and playing a Devil's Advocate that I just think its meant to apply to Mass Effect.
Even if they are sapient, they're beings that have the power to wipe out all organics in the galaxy just as they wiped out approx 99% of Quarians, so don't be very surprised if the future Mass Effect canon describes some, at least, 'complications' regarding them. Clearly, in reality-so-far, existing as sapient does not necessarily guarantee survival. Because, well, life. In fact, for nearly wiping out the Quarians, its arguable that the correct response to that would be to give a response in kind, if pressed. Which Legion does, with his 'I must upload code now no matter what' intentions (= killing all the Quarians).
Okay. But it goes to show that AI is a Crackshot no matter what Sci-Fi series.
Here's an example of a standard Robotics Life Cycle when it comes to a Fictional AI is a Crackshot Rule:
1. New Product Released
2. Disstaisfied Customers attempt to return
3. Waranity Expires, Battery Dies
4. Product becomes Self-Aware, Creates Matrix
What the Quarians should have done was plan ahead of the curve and create new manual labor that wouldn't turn on them.
At the lowest level, geth work based on electrical impulses passed through circuits, and organics work based on electrical impulses passed through meat. Geth have, possibly, potential to wipe out all organics. Humans have, possibly, potential to wipe out all synthetics.
Knowing the facts that we know, it's pretty difficult to rationally argue that geth are ethically less valuable than any organic species. Sure, they're made of metal, but there's no logical reason that a meat-brain should be considered more valuable than a metal-brain, except that we have meat-brains and so are biased in favor of meat. :)
I don't think "being made for a purpose" comes into it at all. Lots of parents give birth hoping their children will be this or that, but over time it often turns out to be irrelevant. The wishes of a creator don't matter so much when the creation is sapient and can come to its own conclusions and make its own goals. The intentions of the quarians re: the creation of the geth only matters as far as the geth decide that it matters, much as the intentions of a parent re: its child only matters so far as the child decides.