Whats wrong with adult content in adult game? More details please!

[RiseM]

UPD3:

FInally xEdit was released, so probably some things will be implemented in a few months. after the original post I played another 100 hours and I can say I was partially wrong - there are adult content, but because of general softness and safe avoiding of the most "dangerous" themes ( sex and gambling for some reason considered the most evil ), there are actually alot of hidden behind some hours content, that is not shown directly.

But I still strongly wait for gambling mods, thats simply wierd that people stopped gambling, but other stuff like smugglers, pirates, alcohol, drugs, are free to be in full in the universe. Also sex, while I dont mean the "action" in the game, but sexual content - advertisement, some prostitutes in less safe zones, sexual anything. Like sex was forbidden and all playboy rarity magazines were hidden in the UC archives... ffs.

Also we dont exactly know how many people left Earth, and it is noted ingame that CLONING IS AN OLD AND FORGOTTEN technology, so really human trafficing and slavery is a logical step. We dont know about thousands of worlds that exist outside of known space. Maybe some other civilization is rising there, abducting humans from other colonies, or there is a war of 2 unknown factions out there, that we simply unaware of. There are infinite possibilities that are not explained and spoon fed on the go, so ignoring them is like ignoring human nature and will to survive. Its one of the basic themes of literature, using is it 100% getting a good story.


UPD2:

There are also cannibalism noted in one of reports ingame.

Originally posted by wiki:

The colony ship Clark Lewis is reported lost. At some point in its journey, the vessel's Helium-3 tanks ruptured and blew the reactor into space, permanently stranding it. With no hope of rescue, the colonists resort to violence and cannibalism before starving to death over the next several years

https://starfield.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

Also its not very clear, but civil war UC vs FC ended like 19 years before the original events, which makes the whole setting pretty dark and dystopian actually, more the reason to add more grim details in "safe" zones like cities. Maybe the crown density will resolve some issues, but quetsion about the original more adult content stands - there are parts of galaxy that really looks like they had to be full of everything illegal ( Red Mile and Neon ), instead they are not.

UPD:

People keep focusing on 2 things in this thread - either sex or slavery, which makes me wonder, whats wrong with the majority of people posting here. Not a single person noted that there are no gambling, like in previous Bethesda titles. Aside from adult content, game feels too safe, like Jᴧgᴧ said. I can understand playing safe for profits, its actually ok in my book, but want more freedom. For people who think I`m focused on slavery part - I`m not. I just think its logical that in mostly lawless space, where human life costs nothing, it might be logical to capture ships and crew, then to execute all living people on board. Probably we`re not shown the part where those contraband human organs comes from and that thing actually happens? I understand that slavery theme is hard to implement and there is no correct way to add it. Just noting that it could be happening in this universe.

As for the sexual content - I dont mean actual sex, there are alot of things that human civilization uses in advertisement, also prostitution, which could be still a thing in 2330, it was implemented in FNV, as I remember F04 touched that theme ( correct me if I`m wrong ) so why we completely lack any form of sexual content in mostly adult game where usage of drugs and alcohol is alowed?


The original post below:

This thread is not about sex content ( like in CP2077 ), but about all 18+ content in general. New Vegas, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3/4 had all that, but not Starfield? This whole game feels like it was made either for kindergarten audience, or people who explicitly hate sexual content in any way. Lets see, we have free purchase and use of drugs, even some NPC ( Walter included ) practcally suggests player to try out drugs. Alcohol in many forms. Violence in many many forms, including shooting people in the head with shotguns. We have terrible alien xeno experiments, cloning, moral choices of either kill or spare unarmed people practically every 30 minutes of gameplay. But sex? A BIG no. no pictures, no bars, no red light districts. Red Mile, which supposed to be like top experience of illegal stuff, even looks like a strip bar inside, have nothing but few uninteractable slot or betting machines and thats all. Also a BIG NO for any form of gambling. WTF really? Starting from Morrowind, every beth game had something like gambling mechanic inside, many many games, included Cyberpunk 2077, have both gambling and sex industry in it. It doesnt seem to bother anyone. So whats the problem here?

Also absolutely no human ( NPCs ofc ) trafficing. There are space pirates, mercs, big corporations that we directly know ( riyjin questline ) uses illegal human experiments, but for some reason not a single word about it? I mean really? If you go as merciless pirate, ship crew begs you to let them live, you just either shoot them all or leave the ship entirely? What about hostages? Slavery? Fallout 3 had a huge questline about Slavers, you could join them a be an actual slaver! But for some reason its banned in space? Again, we have it in Cyberpunk 2077, we had it in Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3\4, but for some reason slavery is banned by some wonderfull universal laws that even pirates obey! What about clones? We can traffic illegal human organs via contraband, can steal stuff from people, assault people on the streets and get easily forgiven by paying to guards, but slavery? A HUGE HUGE NO. WTF? What if I want the opposite - to free slaves from pirates, help stop human trafficing in the galaxy, help innocent? Again nothing even close to that. Shooting people in the face is OK, but saving hostages or slaves is banned.

I can deal with many things in Starfield, but this is total garbage, Drugs are ok, killing is ok, slavery and gambling is bad, sex is only for clones or colonists above 50+... OMG...

[Starbug]

Sex in games is cringe. So that's probably why.

[riles656]

Have you forgotten the meltdown some of these snowflakes had over there being an option in game to change the characters pronouns? Think what would have happened if they had nudity, excessive violence, and slavery? I'm sure they will add some later down the line after most of the crybabies leave the game, but until then, mods my friend.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

RiseM already said it wasn't a sex thing.

@RiseM - it is catering (pandering) to the "lowest common denominator". Whichever demographic has the greatest purchasing power across all members of that group. Currently that's the consolers and younger gamers - there are just more of them overall. Parents giving the game as a gift wouldn't want to see a game with gore or dismemberment, drugs, or even sex.

Bethesda has given up immersion and interesting mature themes (like we had in Morrowind) for the "safe bet" so they can reach as many people as possible. It's about profit (greed), and them being beholden to stock holders (or at this point, MS' stock holders).

Funny thing I mentioned elsewhere - even Terraria has gore. Starfield doesn't. It's just TOO safe, which is why we lost a lot of the really interesting bits across the last ~18 years.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by RiseM:

18+ content in general.

This whole game feels like it was made either for kindergarden audience.

But it's not 18+.

Starfield's ESRB rating is M17.

Judging by your writing, and the writings of many others around here, you'd think that we were back in kindergarten.

If the game feels like it belongs in a day care center, then it probably does.

Kindergarten is spelled with a 't'.

[RiseM]

Originally posted by riles656:

Have you forgotten the meltdown some of these snowflakes had over there being an option in game to change the characters pronouns? Think what would have happened if they had nudity, excessive violence, and slavery? I'm sure they will add some later down the line after most of the crybabies leave the game, but until then, mods my friend.

I know right? But still, Cyberpunk have the same gender choices added, Baldurs Gate also let you chose what to have in pants, but its a problem in Starfield for some reason? I dont get it really. Its a game, other games from other studios have that, their games are fun and people are ok with that but Bethesda did something wrong or what? Smells like hypocricy.

We have alot of moraly grey choices in game, lots of other stuff that in my ophinion are worse. slavery is too much, but still, whatever people like it or not, it exists in realily in many countries and its a major crime. its wierd for me that space pirates dont hold hostages or do human trafficing. Or sell and produce contraband for that reason. Why we cant be heroes to save people from pirate ships? It would be very noble and fun mechanic.

[wtiger27]

Fallout 4's sex was just as mild as it is in Starfield. Suggestive in comments only and even then you have to use a lot of imagination.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Fallout 4's sex was just as mild as it is in Starfield. Suggestive in comments only and even then you have to use a lot of imagination.

Sure, but we could blow off their limbs one by one, then do the same with their head. Limbs all over, blood all over, eyeballs here and there, gory bits strewn across furniture.

Bethesda's never been big on the sex stuff, but at least it was more immersive and mature with the gory bits.

[Abisha]

CP2077 considered 18+ content.?

really only thing you see is some dildo's, boobs and that's basic it.
even Witcher 2 have more heated content.

[RiseM]

Originally posted by katzenkrimis:

Originally posted by RiseM:

18+ content in general.

This whole game feels like it was made either for kindergarden audience.

But it's not 18+.

Starfield's ESRB rating is M17.

Judging by your writing, and the writings of many others around here, you'd think that we were back in kindergarten.

If the game feels like it belongs in a day care center, then it probably does.

Kindergarten is spelled with a 't'.

Fixed typos. Thanks.

Ok, but GTA V is also M17. Rating is the same. There are missions about abduction, human trafficing, nudity, prostitution and nudity. So?

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Jᴧgᴧ:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Fallout 4's sex was just as mild as it is in Starfield. Suggestive in comments only and even then you have to use a lot of imagination.

Sure, but we could blow off their limbs one by one, then do the same with their head. Limbs all over, blood all over, eyeballs here and there, gory bits strewn across furniture.

Bethesda's never been big on the sex stuff, but at least it was more immersive and mature with the gory bits.

Lol. If that turns you on in Fallout 4. I really liked Fallout 4, but I would have liked it just as much if the bloody gore was not there.

[Jᴧgᴧ]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Lol. If that turns you on in Fallout 4. I really liked Fallout 4, but I would have liked it just as much if the bloody gore was not there.

I always got a kick from the Bloody Mess perk... enemies exploding other enemies. It was just good old fashioned gory fun.

[Tolfdir]

It looks as if Bethesda has been owned by Disney.

[cdplayer906]

not enough bob, vajine and blood = kindergarten

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Jᴧgᴧ:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Lol. If that turns you on in Fallout 4. I really liked Fallout 4, but I would have liked it just as much if the bloody gore was not there.

I always got a kick from the Bloody Mess perk... enemies exploding other enemies. It was just good old fashioned gory fun.

And I never picked that perk. In over 3600 hrs of game play. But each to his own fun in a game. Starfield lacking such, has zero impact on my entertainment playing it.

[RiseM]

Originally posted by Abisha:

CP2077 considered 18+ content.?

really only thing you see is some dildo's, boobs and that's basic it.
even Witcher 2 have more heated content.

Originally posted by Jᴧgᴧ:

RiseM already said it wasn't a sex thing.

@RiseM - it is catering (pandering) to the "lowest common denominator". Whichever demographic has the greatest purchasing power across all members of that group. Currently that's the consolers and younger gamers - there are just more of them overall. Parents giving the game as a gift wouldn't want to see a game with gore or dismemberment, drugs, or even sex.

Bethesda has given up immersion and interesting mature themes (like we had in Morrowind) for the "safe bet" so they can reach as many people as possible. It's about profit (greed), and them being beholden to stock holders (or at this point, MS' stock holders).

Funny thing I mentioned elsewhere - even Terraria has gore. Starfield doesn't. It's just TOO safe, which is why we lost a lot of the really interesting bits across the last ~18 years.

Its sad to admit, but seems like you hit the nail with it. The majority of customers are console players via game pass, so the big boss ( Microsoft it seems ) now have the final word. Probably there were alot more interesting stuff under the hood, but only CK and modders are to "fix" it. I really like Starfield. It gets pretty deep in philosophy closer you are to the end of main quest. Basically the multiverse setting would allow you to do anything withing a single universe, so the real freedom is as close as possible, full spectrum of choices and actions withing one character to live through. IMHO its a great setting. Just a little more details will make it shine.

Guess I have to put it on a shelf for a year or so, when modding kit is out. Have alot of plans for it.