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[Staur Candybar]

Hello, i have allways bin wondering, why can i jone both uc and Freestar rangers at the same time? i dosent make sens to me.

[minisith]

It is apart of Bethesda games to me. A bit of a sandbox to play how you like.

It is more up to the player to create their own role-playing within the game. To me it is the best way to play these games.

[=CrimsoN=]

Well for the U.C., it makes sense. In New Atlantis, if you read one of the info boards, it states that U.C. Citizenship and service is open to anyone. No matter what faction they adhere to.

I do agree with you though OP in that I don't think it makes much sense for the player to be able to join the U.C. and Freestar at the same time. Maybe a mod will be introduced to force the player to choose one or the other.

As it stands now, you can roleplay your character for specific factions. But it has to be self-imposed. Not gameplay imposed. I've yet to join certain major factions out of choice for my character.

[Rambit]

Originally posted by =CrimsoN=:

Well for the U.C., it makes sense. In New Atlantis, if you read one of the info boards, it states that U.C. Citizenship and service is open to anyone. No matter what faction they adhere to.

I do agree with you though OP in that I don't think it makes much sense for the player to be able to join the U.C. and Freestar at the same time. Maybe a mod will be introduced to force the player to choose one or the other.

As it stands now, you can roleplay your character for specific factions. But it has to be self-imposed. Not gameplay imposed. I've yet to join certain major factions out of choice for my character.

you dont need to force anything. the person themselves can choose to RP. thats much easier than downloading yet another mod.

[=CrimsoN=]

Originally posted by Rambit:

you dont need to force anything. the person themselves can choose to RP. thats much easier than downloading yet another mod.

Right, but sometimes it can help support someone's RP if there are consequences to joining factions. For example, if the player decides to join the U.C. Vanguard, they could be locked out of joining the Freestar Rangers. A mod could do this, or the player can RP this, but a mod could take this a step further and effect things like prices increasing in Freestar Territory or Freestar rangers talking down to the player. Maybe even attacking them on site in certain "restricted areas".

[Rambit]

Originally posted by =CrimsoN=:

Originally posted by Rambit:

you dont need to force anything. the person themselves can choose to RP. thats much easier than downloading yet another mod.

Right, but sometimes it can help support someone's RP if there are consequences to joining factions. For example, if the player decides to join the U.C. Vanguard, they could be locked out of joining the Freestar Rangers. A mod could do this, or the player can RP this, but a mod could take this a step further and effect things like prices increasing in Freestar Territory or Freestar rangers talking down to the player. Maybe even attacking them on site in certain "restricted areas".

its pointless. reminds me when i saw a mod to stop the ability to fast travel. why download that when you yourself can choose to NOT fast travel. just make the RP choice. dont bloat your mods.

[=CrimsoN=]

Originally posted by Rambit:

Originally posted by =CrimsoN=:

Right, but sometimes it can help support someone's RP if there are consequences to joining factions. For example, if the player decides to join the U.C. Vanguard, they could be locked out of joining the Freestar Rangers. A mod could do this, or the player can RP this, but a mod could take this a step further and effect things like prices increasing in Freestar Territory or Freestar rangers talking down to the player. Maybe even attacking them on site in certain "restricted areas".

its pointless. reminds me when i saw a mod to stop the ability to fast travel. why download that when you yourself can choose to NOT fast travel. just make the RP choice. dont bloat your mods.

I have the no fast travel mod installed lmao

Hardly a bloat though. I only have about 20 mods installed and they are all for immersion. Of course, you have the choice, but sometimes it's nice to eliminate the temptation entirely.

[ThrillR2D§]

In my opinion, the game is designed for fast travel and thus has a slight design flaw.

[jonnin]

Its like how you can be a citizen of multiple countries at once... the two are not at war, and while they have some bad history, you are allowed to travel freely between their areas, trade with both, become a citizen of both, own property on both sides, and so on. I would ask why you expect we could not befriend both? And, in many ways, the vanguard and rangers are aligned against spacers/CF/varrun threats more than they are at odds over who did what in the war. Honestly I feel that both sides should pay me a bounty every time I blow up a pirate :)

[=CrimsoN=]

Originally posted by ThrillR2D§:

In my opinion, the game is designed for fast travel and thus has a slight design flaw.

The only area where fast travel is seemingly needed is when you need to travel from one planet to another.

The "no fast travel" mods simply disable fast traveling when you aren't in your ship. I prefer it like this as it makes stuff like the buggy more of a necessity. It also forces you to walk to your ship when in cities rather than just fast traveling to it.

You'd be surprised at how much you can miss when you fast travel everywhere!

[Crystal Sharrd]

Honestly I'm glad they didn't go with the Skyrim Civil War thing again.

[Staur Candybar]

i see well i was just wondering, thanks for all the response guys, have a nice day at Starfield :)

[Kornelius]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

Honestly I'm glad they didn't go with the Skyrim Civil War thing again.

A war where you help them take over territory would have been great though.

[BR B-263-54]

Originally posted by Staur Candybar:

Hello, i have allways bin wondering, why can i jone both uc and Freestar rangers at the same time? i dosent make sens to me.

Bethesda is all about mainstreaming titles and as such they will not want any kind of consequence in game that would impact player decisions.

It's a dumbing down basically.

[StillNinja]

Originally posted by BR B-263-54:

Originally posted by Staur Candybar:

Hello, i have allways bin wondering, why can i jone both uc and Freestar rangers at the same time? i dosent make sens to me.

Bethesda is all about mainstreaming titles and as such they will not want any kind of consequence in game that would impact player decisions.

It's a dumbing down basically.

That's sort of right. They want the largest target audience as possible with the least amount of risk. That's casual gamers, everyone can enjoy a casual game, but casual games don't have depth/complexity.

Having consequence for a wide range of choices makes the game far more complex,

[Overseer]

You have to think of the alternative.
Imagine you play the game without any guides and join the first faction you encounter, only to later find out that there are others. Your "choice" would be to either stick to the one faction that you don't want, or to start a fresh game.
Addressing all of that would require a complete different structure, mechanics and interactions that scale with every faction added.
And with the current system you can simply ignore other factions if you want to. The existing ability to join more does not affect that.

Bethesda also never managed to flesh out the bounty system, which reflects aspects that you want. Meaning locking you out of groups. The options there are very limited if not infuriating.