Let’s be real, why are pronouns actually in the game?

[Wing]

On a real point of view, why did Bethesda actually take the time to add pronouns and other things into the game that no one ever asked for? What’s even the actual reason. Back in the day no one ever gave a crap, why do devs now? What’s the reasoning?

[burthole]

Originally posted by Vedren:

Originally posted by Wing:

Not really, just wondering why they did it. Like what actually is the motivation for a video game to shove this rubbish into it? The consensus is because of money, which makes sense as that’s typically how liberal ideology ultimately is created for.

Because it isn't rubbish.... it's people choices...it's people's life styles.... Is it also rubbish they included men and women? Should the game only have had non descript characters in space suits so you couldn't tell their gender or gender identity at all. If they/them is rubbish so is male and female.

It's rubbish they have any of it, we don't pick who we are before we are born so we shouldn't get to pick in games.

[Vedren]

Originally posted by Nomadic:

The problem isn't that the game has pronouns, it's that they're there for no logical gameplay reason. No one else is referenced in-game about being non-binary or having a different pronoun, you're not referenced to your choice, nothing. It's literally there as a useless option; it's a half-measure with nothing to show for it.

Yes there are points when people are taliing about your character while you are present and use the pronouns you chose... just like the mod did is sloppily and just removed the choice making all people who used it play them/them non gender conforming characters lol.

[GuerillaTactix]

Originally posted by Vedren:

Originally posted by Professor P4nda:

Parents send their kids to school to learn valuable skills that can be applied in the world. Parents expect to be having the sex talk with their child. Back in the day it was the mother who taught the daughter about sex and the father who taught the son about sex. Now its the teacher who comes out to their students, teaching someone else kid about sex.

That type of behaviour isn't acceptable anywhere outside of school for a reason and its not what the majority of parents were expecting when sending their child to school. People start to see the education system as more of a way to create social activists than contributing members of society. That is a problem and its evident based on how low the average scores are in schools across Western countries. Its been a steady decline while sexuality is has become a bigger thing in schools.

You didn't answer my question... people are fine with them knowing what boys, girls, men and women are at every age ... why not trans people? Hate that's the only reason why.

I am not making the argument for or against 1001 genders in school. Thus I am not going to be put into a strawman argument to battle for one side that I did not come out and say I support or don't support.

The only opinion I have addressed is that I think it is weird for teachers to come out to their students in class and hide children's sexual orientation or pronouns from their parents. Thus locking their parents out from aspects their children's life. That is sus behaviour that isn't accepted anywhere outside of school and shouldn't be accepted in schools.

[Vedren]

Originally posted by Wing:

It is their attempt to normalize something that is abnormal.

And there's the hate speech... Just because you don't agree with something does not make it abnormal or bad in any way....

[Legion]

Originally posted by Vedren:

Originally posted by Nomadic:

The problem isn't that the game has pronouns, it's that they're there for no logical gameplay reason. No one else is referenced in-game about being non-binary or having a different pronoun, you're not referenced to your choice, nothing. It's literally there as a useless option; it's a half-measure with nothing to show for it.

Yes there are points when people are taliing about your character while you are present and use the pronouns you chose... just like the mod did is sloppily and just removed the choice making all people who used it play them/them non gender conforming characters lol.

I'm okay with being corrected then in that your character is referenced using their pronouns (I did testing, though clearly not as thorough as I should have). It's just so far and few between, it seems, that it was just shoehorned in.

[Gray8]

Originally posted by Nomadic:

The problem isn't that the game has pronouns, it's that they're there for no logical gameplay reason. No one else is referenced in-game about being non-binary or having a different pronoun, you're not referenced to your choice, nothing. It's literally there as a useless option; it's a half-measure with nothing to show for it.

Actually, though it's infrequent, I've noticed the pronouns you pick being used every now and then. It's always the case that games like this throw in some acknowledgements to custom character choices (race, in game religion, pronouns, etc) to make the game feel more personalized, but minimize how often they're used for financial reasons (voice actor costs).

[burthole]

Originally posted by Vedren:

Originally posted by WastingSanity:

And there's the hate speech... Just because you don't agree with something does not make it abnormal or bad in any way....

There is a very real attempt to deny gender dysphoria is a mental health concern. I think this denial is actually part of gender-affirming care.

[gachi is manly]

Originally posted by Nomadic:

I'm okay with being corrected then in that your character is referenced using their pronouns (I did testing, though clearly not as thorough as I should have). It's just so far and few between, it seems, that it was just shoehorned in.

In other words, it was very minimal effort for Bethesda to add. So having hundreds of topics discussing such a small detail is pretty silly.

[Gray8]

Originally posted by Professor P4nda:

The only opinion I have addressed is that I think it is weird for teachers to come out to their students in class and hide children's sexual orientation or pronouns from their parents. Thus locking their parents out from aspects their children's life. That is sus behaviour that isn't accepted anywhere outside of school and shouldn't be accepted in schools.

While it's a tricky needle to thread legally, it's obvious to anyone who isn't braindead WHY it's normally done - because there are a ton of hateful bigoted parents, and kicking kids out on the street and/or physically abusing LGBTQ kids is very much a thing. Teachers spend a lot of their time with those kids and often care about them and want to help them by, you know, not going to their parents with things they find out about said kids when they know it will result in child abuse likely being committed by those parents.

States like Florida are trying very hard to endanger the lives of LGBTQ kids by forcing teachers and doctors to out kids to their potentially abusive parents, though, so....that's great.

(also, why do we humans feel the need to shout into the void that is internet forums like this? I mean, if a trans kid was being beaten right in front of most of the bigots in here they'd just laugh, so it's not like people like that are really reachable.)

[Wing]

Originally posted by Gray8:

Originally posted by Professor P4nda:

The only opinion I have addressed is that I think it is weird for teachers to come out to their students in class and hide children's sexual orientation or pronouns from their parents. Thus locking their parents out from aspects their children's life. That is sus behaviour that isn't accepted anywhere outside of school and shouldn't be accepted in schools.

While it's a tricky needle to thread legally, it's obvious to anyone who isn't braindead WHY it's normally done - because there are a ton of hateful bigoted parents, and kicking kids out on the street and/or physically abusing LGBTQ kids is very much a thing. Teachers spend a lot of their time with those kids and often care about them and want to help them by, you know, not going to their parents with things they find out about said kids when they know it will result in child abuse likely being committed by those parents.

States like Florida are trying very hard to endanger the lives of LGBTQ kids by forcing teachers and doctors to out kids to their potentially abusive parents, though, so....that's great.

What about just simply giving them the mental health help they need for their mental illness or perversion? Rather than now this new norm of telling them the mental illness is normal?

[Kapitänleutnant Kerensky]

Originally posted by Vault Traveler:

ESG money

Oh man I hope not....when crap like this is monetized its going to ruin EVERYTHING

[vandalism]

Well I don't think it's for gameplay reasons. I haven't had anyone refer to me by a pronoun yet. I haven't even seen my name in dialog yet with "traveler" or "adventurer" or whatever for their voice.

They did it for easy good boy EGS points.

[Wing]

Originally posted by Kapitänleutnant Kerensky:

Originally posted by Vault Traveler:

ESG money

Oh man I hope not....when crap like this is monetized its going to ruin EVERYTHING

I’m afraid this is the new normal because it aligns with the UN 2030 agenda

[Gray8]

Originally posted by Wing:

What about just simply giving them the mental health help they need for their mental illness or perversion? Rather than now this new norm of telling them the mental illness is normal?

Because the doctors who actually practice mental health worked with trans people for decades and realized that calling them "perverts" like you brilliantly suggest didn't actually help?

https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender-people-gender-identity-gender-expression

I realize that pales in comparison to the sage advice of bigoted randos with hateful opinions about anyone different than themselves, but there you go.

[Klutch]

OP is obviously having that day of the month. She should probably go outside instead of playing games.