RTX 4090 + Starfailed = UNPLAYABLE

[Road to 1 Behaviour Score]

The game is unplayable in this state. I'm shocked that NO reviews mentioned this whatsoever. I hope they release a patch or something, this is shockingly bad and makes what seems like a great game just totally unplayable.

Buyer beware, this happens on even my beast of a machine.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Otter:

https://youtu.be/XrZNSTmOstI?si=3aVSU7r3wFWKh4SH

Yeah you're gimping your card with any undervolt on the 4090, it literally is clocked to the nuts even on reference models. That's not to say it isn't efficient with a mild loss in performance with a good chunk of wattage lower in power, but that just tells me what I suspected which you're not running a card stock, which means the temps will be far lower, and custom fan curve can be max of 75% or typhoon 3000rpm 100%.

And again, raytracing will be a great addition when we have the hardware, but DLSS to get it? It looks like ♥♥♥♥ in motion.

lol if by "gimping" the card you mean it's performing better compared to stock clocks and power target then sure, it's "gimped." Custom fan curve doesn't hit 70% until 60C, which my GPU never reaches. Fan speed is 60% at 55C and with the Gaming X Trio cooler it's not audible with my sound system (then again almost nothing is except my game, it's a 5.1.4 Atmos system).

Also, the 4090 is more than enough for 60fps in most games with RT at native 4K. Cyberpunk is really the only one that it isn't that I've played. Control, Ratchet & Clank, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, Resident Evil 4, Metro Exodus Enhanced, Battlefield 2042, Spiderman, and path traced Minecraft all average over 60fps.

[Otter]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Otter:

https://youtu.be/XrZNSTmOstI?si=3aVSU7r3wFWKh4SH

Yeah you're gimping your card with any undervolt on the 4090, it literally is clocked to the nuts even on reference models. That's not to say it isn't efficient with a mild loss in performance with a good chunk of wattage lower in power, but that just tells me what I suspected which you're not running a card stock, which means the temps will be far lower, and custom fan curve can be max of 75% or typhoon 3000rpm 100%.

And again, raytracing will be a great addition when we have the hardware, but DLSS to get it? It looks like ♥♥♥♥ in motion.

lol if by "gimping" the card you mean it's performing better compared to stock clocks and power target then sure, it's "gimped." Custom fan curve doesn't hit 70% until 60C, which my GPU never reaches. Fan speed is 60% at 55C and with the Gaming X Trio cooler it's not audible with my sound system (then again almost nothing is except my game, it's a 5.1.4 Atmos system).

Also, the 4090 is more than enough for 60fps in most games with RT at native 4K. Cyberpunk is really the only one that it isn't that I've played. Control, Ratchet & Clank, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, Resident Evil 4, Metro Exodus Enhanced, Battlefield 2042, Spiderman, and path traced Minecraft all average over 60fps.

Did you even watch the video? Your card can have the same or higher than reference clockspeed, but once you take the juice away from the card, it drops % exponentially. THe exact same thing happens on RDNA3 with my 7900XT, that's why you run benchmarks over and over till you find the Vdroop, doesn't matter if your card (or my card) runs 3200mhz if the score is lower than a 3000mhz clock with a tad move Vcore.

And again you keep stating fan speeds in % rather than RPM, my GPU fans are 2000RPM/100%, whereas I have had a EVGA 3080ti which was 3000RPM/100%, combined with the fact you've removed juice from your card and the vague 60% I am not at all surprised you can't hear it over a sound system, most cards are between 33/39db at stock/gaming OC bios. I could make my GPU run 45c if I dropped the vcore to 0.950mv and slapped a waterblock on it.

And yes, one card out of the entire family of 4000 series that can achieve 4k 60fps raytraced on a near 3yo game (not native) And games that are a mix of new and old. Again reinforcing my point that while Raytracing looks great in stills and slow paced games, as it stands it will be at least another 3 generations before the tech is ready for anything that requires fast paced action, which then again goes back to: Will it need DLSS5.0 or whatever is the newest version, that results in washed out blurry ♥♥♥♥ or potato rendered NPCs in foreground. Or will we even notice that reflection on that puddle when sprinting around corners?

IMO I want better physics like what Red Dead 2 brought, with puddles left by footprints that then fill with water/rain, little things like that are what I personally find myself saying "wow" at, but if you enjoy how a light reflects on concrete, more power to you.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

lol if by "gimping" the card you mean it's performing better compared to stock clocks and power target then sure, it's "gimped." Custom fan curve doesn't hit 70% until 60C, which my GPU never reaches. Fan speed is 60% at 55C and with the Gaming X Trio cooler it's not audible with my sound system (then again almost nothing is except my game, it's a 5.1.4 Atmos system).

Also, the 4090 is more than enough for 60fps in most games with RT at native 4K. Cyberpunk is really the only one that it isn't that I've played. Control, Ratchet & Clank, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, Resident Evil 4, Metro Exodus Enhanced, Battlefield 2042, Spiderman, and path traced Minecraft all average over 60fps.

Did you even watch the video? Your card can have the same or higher than reference clockspeed, but once you take the juice away from the card, it drops % exponentially. THe exact same thing happens on RDNA3 with my 7900XT, that's why you run benchmarks over and over till you find the Vdroop, doesn't matter if your card (or my card) runs 3200mhz if the score is lower than a 3000mhz clock with a tad move Vcore.

And again you keep stating fan speeds in % rather than RPM, my GPU fans are 2000RPM/100%, whereas I have had a EVGA 3080ti which was 3000RPM/100%, combined with the fact you've removed juice from your card and the vague 60% I am not at all surprised you can't hear it over a sound system, most cards are between 33/39db at stock/gaming OC bios. I could make my GPU run 45c if I dropped the vcore to 0.950mv and slapped a waterblock on it.

And yes, one card out of the entire family of 4000 series that can achieve 4k 60fps raytraced on a near 3yo game (not native) And games that are a mix of new and old. Again reinforcing my point that while Raytracing looks great in stills and slow paced games, as it stands it will be at least another 3 generations before the tech is ready for anything that requires fast paced action, which then again goes back to: Will it need DLSS5.0 or whatever is the newest version, that results in washed out blurry ♥♥♥♥ or potato rendered NPCs in foreground. Or will we even notice that reflection on that puddle when sprinting around corners?

IMO I want better physics like what Red Dead 2 brought, with puddles left by footprints that then fill with water/rain, little things like that are what I personally find myself saying "wow" at, but if you enjoy how a light reflects on concrete, more power to you.

I don't have to watch the video. I have the card and have spent a lot of time with the OC/UV settings and benchmarking with Furmark, 3DMark, Unigine, and various games. It objectively performs better than stock clocks (even better than the factory OC in fact). while running cooler and using less power.

You can try to move the goalposts and throw your ignorance around all you want, RT is the future of real time rendering and is far more than "how a light reflects on concrete." That ignorant statement shows that you don't understand what ray tracing actually is and what developers can do with it. The fact is Nvidia is the only GPU manufacturer making the hardware that's capable enough for RT, in addition to making the best hardware for those advanced physics you want. AMD is again dropping out of the high end/enthusiast market as well because they simply can't compete if leaks are to be believed.

[Otter]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Otter:

Did you even watch the video? Your card can have the same or higher than reference clockspeed, but once you take the juice away from the card, it drops % exponentially. THe exact same thing happens on RDNA3 with my 7900XT, that's why you run benchmarks over and over till you find the Vdroop, doesn't matter if your card (or my card) runs 3200mhz if the score is lower than a 3000mhz clock with a tad move Vcore.

And again you keep stating fan speeds in % rather than RPM, my GPU fans are 2000RPM/100%, whereas I have had a EVGA 3080ti which was 3000RPM/100%, combined with the fact you've removed juice from your card and the vague 60% I am not at all surprised you can't hear it over a sound system, most cards are between 33/39db at stock/gaming OC bios. I could make my GPU run 45c if I dropped the vcore to 0.950mv and slapped a waterblock on it.

And yes, one card out of the entire family of 4000 series that can achieve 4k 60fps raytraced on a near 3yo game (not native) And games that are a mix of new and old. Again reinforcing my point that while Raytracing looks great in stills and slow paced games, as it stands it will be at least another 3 generations before the tech is ready for anything that requires fast paced action, which then again goes back to: Will it need DLSS5.0 or whatever is the newest version, that results in washed out blurry ♥♥♥♥ or potato rendered NPCs in foreground. Or will we even notice that reflection on that puddle when sprinting around corners?

IMO I want better physics like what Red Dead 2 brought, with puddles left by footprints that then fill with water/rain, little things like that are what I personally find myself saying "wow" at, but if you enjoy how a light reflects on concrete, more power to you.

I don't have to watch the video. I have the card and have spent a lot of time with the OC/UV settings and benchmarking with Furmark, 3DMark, Unigine, and various games. It objectively performs better than stock clocks (even better than the factory OC in fact). while running cooler and using less power.

Ok well up to you if you want to live in wonderland. It's just funny because every review I see of the 4090 Gaming X trio with Gaming BIOS is running in the 65/69c core, with mid 70's on the hotspot with fans at 1600rpm which isn't bad at all. And yet somehow you've undervolted enough to drop another 11/13c on the core to watercooled levels of cooling without dropping performance. Somehow I doubt your claims.
Your card with a undervolt and custom fan curve: https://imgur.com/a/Aztehvq

In fact you're running "cooler" than a higher model MSI Suprim Liquid X https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x/37.html

Face it, you undervolted that much you've sapped it's stock performance.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

I don't have to watch the video. I have the card and have spent a lot of time with the OC/UV settings and benchmarking with Furmark, 3DMark, Unigine, and various games. It objectively performs better than stock clocks (even better than the factory OC in fact). while running cooler and using less power.

Ok well up to you if you want to live in wonderland. It's just funny because every review I see of the 4090 Gaming X trio with Gaming BIOS is running in the 65/69c core, with mid 70's on the hotspot with fans at 1600rpm which isn't bad at all. And yet somehow you've undervolted enough to drop another 11/13c on the core to watercooled levels of cooling without dropping performance. Somehow I doubt your claims.
Your card with a undervolt and custom fan curve: https://imgur.com/a/Aztehvq

In fact you're running "cooler" than a higher model MSI Suprim Liquid X https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x/37.html

Face it, you undervolted that much you've sapped it's stock performance.

Nope lol objectively performs better. Keep trying though. You're no longer even attempting to argue what you were originally because you know you were wrong too. Feel free to reply again but it's a waste of my time to reply to this anymore.

I'll just leave these here though so you can see for yourself :D just look at those temps and better performance than any of the benchmarks using stock 4090s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0d0xSeleaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAzHNvKy0gg

only drops below 60fps in the second video because of Shadowplay. Most benchmarks have 1% lows in the low 50s with a 4090 in the MAST Area of New Atlantis

[Dim67]

It actually runs pretty decent on my i5 and 5600XT with low/medium settings. The only problem is I can either play for 3 hours straight no problem, or it crashes and hardlocks my PC every 5 minutes, so everyday it's a crapshoot if can play for a bit.

[Angelus]

Playable with PureDark DLSS FG upscaler + 24 Nexus Mods , locked 66fps 4K Ultra HDR , Sharpen@90%

Starfield - Scanner/Weapon Swap Stuttering Fix ! Nexus Mod !!!
https://youtu.be/DrFI-EUJBWs

https://youtu.be/IPeeO2OyNRo?si=zxBZOG69ixTOh4Pw

[LVBandit]

Originally posted by Bad_Racc:

Originally posted by Jessica:

The game is unplayable in this state. I'm shocked that NO reviews mentioned this whatsoever. I hope they release a patch or something, this is shockingly bad and makes what seems like a great game just totally unplayable.

Buyer beware, this happens on even my beast of a machine.

4090 here and everything is running fine.

Next time try actually purchasing both the game and a 4090 before posting nonsense.

Yeah....no... I have played 157+ hours, no issues whatsoever, until now, but I do not blame my system build NOR Bethesda. I know something is wrong because I was playing with no issues last night. What has been attempted to fix:

1) Clear Cache
2) Verify Game Files Integrity (first time, found 2 issues, none since)
2) Logout / Login to Steam
3) All Graphics / Windows drivers check
4) Restart Computer
5) Attempted several different Saved files (both Auto and Manual Saved), same result

Current system:
AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X 16-Core Processor
128 Gb RAM
ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4090 O24G White
2 x Samsung Odyssey Neo G8

I seriously doubt it is my system. I just need some assistance on figuring out why this is happening now since it was working great last night.

Suggestions? Thoughts? Comments? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Gripes, Moans, Complaints?

[Otter]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Otter:

Ok well up to you if you want to live in wonderland. It's just funny because every review I see of the 4090 Gaming X trio with Gaming BIOS is running in the 65/69c core, with mid 70's on the hotspot with fans at 1600rpm which isn't bad at all. And yet somehow you've undervolted enough to drop another 11/13c on the core to watercooled levels of cooling without dropping performance. Somehow I doubt your claims.
Your card with a undervolt and custom fan curve: https://imgur.com/a/Aztehvq

In fact you're running "cooler" than a higher model MSI Suprim Liquid X https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4090-suprim-liquid-x/37.html

Face it, you undervolted that much you've sapped it's stock performance.

Nope lol objectively performs better. Keep trying though. You're no longer even attempting to argue what you were originally because you know you were wrong too. Feel free to reply again but it's a waste of my time to reply to this anymore.

I'll just leave these here though so you can see for yourself :D just look at those temps and better performance than any of the benchmarks using stock 4090s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0d0xSeleaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAzHNvKy0gg

only drops below 60fps in the second video because of Shadowplay. Most benchmarks have 1% lows in the low 50s with a 4090 in the MAST Area of New Atlantis

"Objectively performs better" - And yet every metric states complete opposite to your claim. You could not state your fan RPM, so I have to look it up, you're running around 1400rpm, which is 150 lower than what the reviewer used for his 2 undervolt profiles which includes:
1) 80% powerlimit with +1500 on the memory, 0.9mv vcore at 2.62Ghz
2) 90% Powerlimit with +1500 on the memory, 0.950mv vcore at 2.7Ghz

And his timespy extreme scores dropped from a stock score of 19288 to 18528 and 19118 respectively. And in both cases was in the mid 60c temps. The average drop in watts for the 90 powerlimit was 40w of power, nowhere near enough to shave off 10c+. Seems to me you're talking out your arse mate. You've got a decent card for sure, but you've gimped it. There is more to undervolting then just dropping the slider till it crashes in a game.

And agreed, you should back out from discussion when you get caught spreading such utter tripe as 55c in a 23c enviroment when even custom waterblocked cards (which I have used myself) cannot achieve that kind of temp unless you crank the rad fans to 100% or undervolt to the point you've compromised your performance.

I still stand by my point of the 4000 series being a joke for everything outside the 4090 which is overpriced. And again the avg in performance is title specific, as a collective it will always be dependent on the titles selected to make a % bias.

On the topic of your videos I have two points I'd like to make. The first is Vsync and Motionblur, why?
The second point is that I game at 3440x1440p on 7900XT, a actual undervolt that gained me 3k score on timespy extreme and I get 57c with stock fan curve, granted my card uses about 270w, not your magical 55c producing 450w peak. I just ran around New Atlantis in the same areas as you exact same settings including the eye cancer of motion blur, and I am getting around 68/73fps stable. Now granted I am 400x710p less resolution, but surely a card that cost 2.1x LESS than your under RRP price Gaming X, should be getting demolished in framerate? I't probably would be if you weren't using Vsync, but we know how bad starfield runs. $1600 I'd expect 120+ fps for that money minimum.

Edit:
>"just look at those temps and better performance than any of the benchmarks using stock 4090s:"

Many of the reviews I have seen for the 4090 have it beating your card in framerate and running around 63c. Which tells me again that you've vsync your card so t would run cooler. I could be just as deceptive and set my Cool'n' quiet mode in my drivers and claim "look how my card runs at 50c at 60fps with vsync on" All this just tells me you know a bit about graphics cards/driver/software, but can't grasp the basics that vsync = card running capped.

[Perky]

Works absolutely fine with a 4070 what is your CPU and ram

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Perky:

Works absolutely fine with a 4070 what is your CPU and ram

The OP is just trolling and has been banned. The game runs fine for anyone with a 4090 and decent CPU