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Vale

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:17am

Space suits and toxic gas

So if I wear a space suit for like lack of oxygen reasons on a planet and run through gas I breath in the gas.

Does this mean the space suit makes sure the vacuum of space stays out, but everything else gets in? Makes sense

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13xforever has Starfield

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:23am

you can think of it like the materials of the suit are self-healing, but if you're exposed to extreme conditions (hot/cold/corrosive/bacterial/whatever) the self-healing is being overrun, so you get a whiff of nasty to damage your lungs or whatever, but as you move away from the danger, the suit gets patched automatically

the vacuum is easy to keep away, as it's literally nothing

rjenkins16 has Starfield

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:29am

Originally posted by 13xforever:
you can think of it like the materials of the suit are self-healing, but if you're exposed to extreme conditions (hot/cold/corrosive/bacterial/whatever) the self-healing is being overrun, so you get a whiff of nasty to damage your lungs or whatever, but as you move away from the danger, the suit gets patched automatically

the vacuum is easy to keep away, as it's literally nothing

Except that, if something can get in, then the vacuum would suck everything out. That's just basic physics at work. So you wouldn't have to worry about getting conditions, because you would be crushed instantly, by being sucked out whatever hole let the noxious fumes in.

So, on one hand, we want space realism, exploration, but on the other it's "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain" for mechanics?

no1zhome

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:30am

In the 2300's this is nonsense sci-fi. Lung damage taken when in a space suit???
Dust storms affect you when your on your space ship???

Good thing this stuff does not happen today or the space station and trips to the moon would be impossible.

There are some thing I cannot suspend my disbelief over.

Jaggid Edje has Starfield

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:30am

It's a game mechanic, not a realistic simulation. Hence why logic doesn't really apply that well. Similar to encumbrance mechanics in, quite literally, any RPG. Logical sense isn't the intent.

lalala

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:33am

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:
It's a game mechanic, not a realistic simulation. Hence why logic doesn't really apply that well. Similar to encumbrance mechanics in, quite literally, any RPG. Logical sense isn't the intent.

That argument doesn't make sense always. You can also add lego characters into the game and call it "its a game, not realistic simulation". The game is SCI-FI that wants to be somewhat realistic and to be honest GAS getting into a space suit is not a "small detail" you can look over, its actually kind of really stupid and immersion breaking.

They actually tried to make it realistic in the sense of you rotating around the planet (being in orbit). I do think the intention of the game was to be not scifi from 1970th imagination or so.

Last edited by lalala; Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:34am

rjenkins16 has Starfield

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:35am

Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:
It's a game mechanic, not a realistic simulation. Hence why logic doesn't really apply that well. Similar to encumbrance mechanics in, quite literally, any RPG. Logical sense isn't the intent.

Hmm. I'm wondering, can you really carry 600 pounds worth of equipment around with you every where you go? If so, are you Mark Henry? If not, how are encumbrance mechanics bad? The problem with this is that if a space suit, that's supposed to protect you from a hostile environment isn't protecting you, why even have them?

Crix

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:35am

The environmental effects are really pointless even in Very Hard. Most of the game is just a bunch of noise and beeps. Basic protection is all you need for the majority of the game. The temps on the planets don't really change temps.

Jaggid Edje has Starfield

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:38am

Originally posted by lalala:
Originally posted by Jaggid Edje:
It's a game mechanic, not a realistic simulation. Hence why logic doesn't really apply that well. Similar to encumbrance mechanics in, quite literally, any RPG. Logical sense isn't the intent.

That argument doesn't make sense always. You can also add lego characters into the game and call it "its a game, not realistic simulation". The game is SCI-FI that wants to be somewhat realistic and to be honest GAS getting into a space suit is not a "small detail" you can look over, its actually kind of really stupid and immersion breaking.

For you perhaps, but I've never played a game where I can't list around 50 things like that. Even hard core simulation games have things like that.

Your issue isn't that it is "worse" than any other similar logic-defying mechanic but rather that it's simply one that you have chosen to get mentally hung up on. Making it a choice you have made , even if only subconsciously.

Take my encumbrance example. I can carry over 50 extra space suit helmets in the game without any issues at all. Which all by itself is completely ridiculous. No person would be able to carry 50 spacesuit helmets without it causing mobility issues.

Yet if I add one tiny marker to that pile of 50 space suit helmets, suddenly I'm encumbered. Even though it has almost no weight and I could just toss it inside one of the helmets that I'm already carrying.

Every single game ever made has completely stupid game mechanics, somewhere, if you are engaging your higher thought centers.

Moses479

Sep 17, 2023 @ 6:38am

*game mechanics* dont have to be unrealistic ... its like u can stand with half a ton of junk on your back, not possible in reality but u can do it in the game - its just unrealistic bs by design.