Terrormorph/Vanguard quest - spoilers i guess

[Steppenrazor]

why the heck is bringing back the aceles, some huge chicken thingy with horns that eats terrormorphs..... that humanity has apparently already spread around worlds.. but then went all Colonel Sanders and ate them into nigh extinction..

thought of as a worse option then some microbe?

you'd think at least some companions would be "mmmm.. love me some Aceles fajitas... " or something?

Finished the quest many levels ago.. but still just bugs me. sure it may be the slower option - but is the more idk.. biologically sound choice? you get an animal that some how is tough enough to eat terrormorphs.. but still weak enough to be used as a food resource.

seems like a win-win situation

[Bored Peon]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steppenrazor:

thought of as a worse option then some microbe?

When you finish the game you are given a synopsis of everything you did and things you changed. Bringing back the Aceles fostered better relations between the UC and Freestar Collective.

[BLKCandy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zengrath:

Thing is humans are dumb when it comes to understanding math and statistics, we learned what with our real pandemic when half our population was saying %2 death rate is nothing and we shouldn't change anything in our lives for such a low death rate and i'm like... that's 1 in 50 freaking people, that's a lot

This is why I often translate statistics into something I can related to, for both myself and who I speak with.

2% would be like 1 guy in our highschool class (or a platoon), Three dudes in our university. Six employees on our site. That's a lot.

[MagicHp]

They tell you to trust the science.
The in-game science tells you that the micro approach is better because fast and only one in a million risk to mutate.
You are supposed, as several here including OP did, to think "wait, one in a million? We are going to release hundreds of billion of these...... "
Therefore you choose the macro option.

And while everyone disagrees and you even lose a bit of affinity, you are rewarded at the end (Spoiler Alert!) with an ending snippet clearly telling you that the macro approach was the better one.

I see that as you have to actually "Trust the science" , and not just what you are spoon fed with, and keep true to your theory (as long as it holds, of course ^^ ) even when that decision isn't "popular" .
The interpretation may vary, but the facts are here. Despite the apparent "punishment" (I'm pretty sure we'll all recover from those harsh words and Affinity loss ;) ) in the end you are rewarded.

[Zengrath]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BLKCandy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zengrath:

Thing is humans are dumb when it comes to understanding math and statistics, we learned what with our real pandemic when half our population was saying %2 death rate is nothing and we shouldn't change anything in our lives for such a low death rate and i'm like... that's 1 in 50 freaking people, that's a lot

This is why I often translate statistics into something I can related to, for both myself and who I speak with.

2% would be like 1 guy in our highschool class (or a platoon), Three dudes in our university. Six employees on our site.

I 100% agree, but the people calling it all a hoax wouldn't listen to logic like this, they just kept repeating what the conspiracies was telling them and that it's barely more deadly or same as a flu, which just wasn't true, they look at like well a flue is .03% and this is 2% so both small numbers = same thing and trying to say it was a hoax and just nothing more then a flu and so on.

but anyway it is what it is, we can never change those peoples minds and we are living with what we got. thankfully the death rate dropped considerably though in later variations so not as big a deal, and i think most people who refused to take action has either got covid multiple times now and built up an immunity or died so we are past past that now while rest of us got protected from vaccines. Nothing more we can do at this point.

[Gregor Eisenhorn]

The Aceles present so many advantages that are not even talked about:

-food source
-raw material source (it's an animal covered in super resistant armor plates)
-beast of burden
-can be trained to defend outposts, especially isolated ones

I don't care if the microbe is faster, the benefits that a widespread population of Aceles would bring, especially in the long run, outweigh the microbe on all fronts.

[MagicHp]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gregor Eisenhorn:

The Aceles present so many advantages that are not even talked about:

-food source
-raw material source (it's an animal covered in super resistant armor plates)
-beast of burden
-can be trained to defend outposts, especially isolated ones

I don't care if the microbe is faster, the benefits that a widespread population of Aceles would bring, especially in the long run, outweigh the microbe on all fronts.

While I agree with this, the game does tell us that the time required for the Aceles solution is counted in decades , meaning many other Attacks and the possibility that some group ends up actually weaponizing those terrormorph (and not just an old psychopath locked up in a basement ) .

I would still choose the Aceles, but the emergency of solving the issue is understandable.

[BLKCandy]

I disagree with the urgency when we now know how they spread and what substance to control. Unaccelerated growth take 70 years-ish. Just active hunting would already drastically reduce the amount of attacks.

As for terrorists attack... that's honestly not more dangerous than other terrorist options. Some dude could orbital drop some mega freighter. Or maybe fashioned some good old nuclear bomb.

Giant mindcontrol xenofauna that can be taken out by a few robots with miniguns are far less dangerous. Especially considering how harder it would be to pull off.

[fauxpas]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MagicHp:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Gregor Eisenhorn:

The Aceles present so many advantages that are not even talked about:

-food source
-raw material source (it's an animal covered in super resistant armor plates)
-beast of burden
-can be trained to defend outposts, especially isolated ones

I don't care if the microbe is faster, the benefits that a widespread population of Aceles would bring, especially in the long run, outweigh the microbe on all fronts.

While I agree with this, the game does tell us that the time required for the Aceles solution is counted in decades , meaning many other Attacks and the possibility that some group ends up actually weaponizing those terrormorph (and not just an old psychopath locked up in a basement ) .

I would still choose the Aceles, but the emergency of solving the issue is understandable.

Terrormorphs were as large of a threat as they were because nobody knew thier connection to heat leeches ... once that is known and better extermination efforts are started it lessens the danger of terrormorph attacks until the space chickens are brought back.

[Dragon Master]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von fauxpas:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MagicHp:

While I agree with this, the game does tell us that the time required for the Aceles solution is counted in decades , meaning many other Attacks and the possibility that some group ends up actually weaponizing those terrormorph (and not just an old psychopath locked up in a basement ) .

I would still choose the Aceles, but the emergency of solving the issue is understandable.

Terrormorphs were as large of a threat as they were because nobody knew thier connection to heat leeches ... once that is known and better extermination efforts are started it lessens the danger of terrormorph attacks until the space chickens are brought back.

Yup.

Everyone acts like the threat is paramount and needs to be solved as soon as possible but the real danger of terrormorphs was always that no one knew how they traveled between worlds. Now we do and proper pest control at the docks will effectively eliminate most of the future attacks.

We may get one or two down the line, likely from heatleeches that already traveled to the various worlds before we made the discovery but even that doesn't seem a big deal considering the attacks on Tau Ceti and New Atlantis the concern wasn't that a terrormorph was attacking but that the bioscanners hadn't picked them up before they reached the city, that they appeared out of nowhere.

This means, by default, that there are already security measures in place to detect when terrormorphs are approaching human settlements so a response team can be mustered before civilians are put in danger.

[Paladin Larec]

I came here after having this same dilemma, and I'm thinking that the writing here is just really, really bad. I see no reason why the microbe is better than the Aceles. For all the reasons listed here and then some. Plus, like another poster said, the planets now know heat leeches are their larval form and will be far more diligent in disposing of them, which will result in far fewer "outbreaks". I just don't get why the game thinks genetic warfare is so foolproof. Heck, the worse thing that could happen with the aceles is that they breed too fast and you need to hire hunters to deal with them. But hey, that would create jobs! Win win, really.

[PoopDuJour]

Biologist here. I chose to reintroduce the giant crits because it's cool but the explanation that they're so efficient at eating terrormorphs that no planet they existed on had terrormorphs was deeply confusing. Wtf are they eating then? Also could the just not do both options? Are they so advanced they can bend space but still somehow bound to a budget or some ♥♥♥♥?

[blumoose]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KNDY | T30Aim:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Zengrath:

only thing that bothers me is that when mission ends, your choice doesn't seem to matter at all since no matter which option you choose it's not going to do anything for your game. It just opens up boring repeatable missions to hunt more of and such. I too chose not to go with the microbes because that just seems like a bad idea, but also my companion I had with me the entire time also supported going with the creatures. I think only 1 or 2 people wanted the microbial one but my companion was on my side, so not sure why OP thinks game is trying to shove the microbial option down our throat, it didn't, it was kind of 50/50 and up to you to decide. I thought game was pushing more to safer options personally and only the jerks in that meeting wanted the quick and dirty microbe option and was talking about how the chance of something actually bad happening is almost 0, but thing is with way microbes/viruses works, even if mutation chance is .001% when your talking 1000 potential planets with a Quintilian microbes all constantly reproducing suddenly that number doesn't seem so low anymore and it's only a matter of years before it does involve into jumping into other animals and eventually humans, happens to real life viruses all the time, in fact nearly every new virus we run into in modern times jumped from animal to human after mutating.

During the meeting with the board, yes but Constellation companions don't response well to that decision at all. Perhaps some Xenobiology background would show a different result like some other pointed out but generally, most of us here experienced a one-sided response from all the Constellation Companion.

The UC companion definitely sides with us but we're talking about the Constellation companion since they're the ones that have any story or relation to begin with. The rest are just puppets.

Apparently the Xenobiologist background gives you an option and you say Aceles is safer than creating an entirely new life form.

From what I've read online, how Constellation members react seems to vary from game to game (probably universe to universe). I've seen people say Andreja likes, hates, or doesn't react to the Anceles decision (regardless of your affinity with her) and same with most of the others. That's just glancing at Reddit.

Also, are people getting anything more than "X liked/disliked" that or whatever during the meeting? People talk about this like there's some big argument or objection, but I didn't get anything like that. In my game Sarah seemed to react when the diplomat talked about keeping them on leashes. Anyhow, one react doesn't really mean anything much so I don't see what the big deal is at all. It isn't like their opinion changes meaningfully from that.