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Shodan Oct 17, 2022 @ 8:47am
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Starfield, an RPG, does NOT have male and female character options.
And they call this "inclusivity" and "more options". In a role-playing game where character creation is key, for ♥♥♥♥'s sake. This "inclusivity" excludes 99.99% of the population which acknowledges basic facts. Instead, here they force a false ideology of sex and gender being a separate thing, but just go on Google, type "sex meaning" and "gender meaning" and you will see Google's top definitions located in a special frame at the top of the page confirming the obvious which is that there are "only" 2 and that these words are interchangeable.
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wtiger27 Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:30am 
There are different genders. It depends on which body type you select. But then again, if you want to play one body type, yet identify as another......who is going to stop you?
Jin- Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:46am 
Originally posted by wtiger27:
There are different genders. It depends on which body type you select. But then again, if you want to play one body type, yet identify as another......who is going to stop you?

Yep, thats the fiction part lol
Wade Oct 17, 2022 @ 10:48am 
No. Because genders don't exist in a woke world.
vonbleak Oct 17, 2022 @ 11:36am 
Yeah there are male/female options - but who knows you might also be able to create a female with a pee-pee - but who cares... They are just options, just choose the option you want...
Shodan Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:05pm 
Originally posted by wtiger27:
There are different genders. It depends on which body type you select. But then again, if you want to play one body type, yet identify as another......who is going to stop you?

I love being a "Body type 1" or something just because the delusional 0.01% of the population doesn't acknowledge the fact that humans are either male or female.

This isn't just more choice on top of the existing male / female choices, this is getting rid of the male / female choices and forcing you to pick numbered body parts until you finally get something that resembles men / women, but don't you dare label anything as male / female because basic biology is offensive today, it seems. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous.

Why did the male / female options need to be removed? Why not keep that and add other options on top of that?

Unbelievable and disgusting.
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vonbleak Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:13pm 
Originally posted by Shodan:
Originally posted by wtiger27:
There are different genders. It depends on which body type you select. But then again, if you want to play one body type, yet identify as another......who is going to stop you?

I love being a "Body type 1" or something just because the delusional 0.01% of the population doesn't acknowledge the fact that humans are either male or female.

This isn't just more choice on top of the existing male / female choices, this is getting rid of the male / female choices and forcing you to pick numbered body parts until it looks male / female to you, but don't you dare label them as male / female because basic biology is offensive today. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous. Why did the male / female options need to be removed?

Not really man - dont be so precious and delicate - Body type 1 = male, body type 2 = female - Its pretty simple, we dont even know if there are any more options than that... There is nothing stopping you or restricting you or forcing you to choose anything you don't want to... Don't be such a baby...

The question is though - why should someone who is trans not be able to have an option thats right for them...? I mean pretending trans people dont exist is a bit silly...
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Shodan Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:26pm 
Originally posted by vonbleak:
Originally posted by Shodan:

I love being a "Body type 1" or something just because the delusional 0.01% of the population doesn't acknowledge the fact that humans are either male or female.

This isn't just more choice on top of the existing male / female choices, this is getting rid of the male / female choices and forcing you to pick numbered body parts until it looks male / female to you, but don't you dare label them as male / female because basic biology is offensive today. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous. Why did the male / female options need to be removed?

Not really man - dont be so precious and delicate - Body type 1 = male, body type 2 = female - Its pretty simple, we dont even know if there are any more options than that... There is nothing stopping you or restricting you or forcing you to choose anything you don't want to... Don't be such a baby...

The question is though - why should someone who is trans not be able to have an option thats right for them...? I mean pretending trans people dont exist is a bit silly...

I asked why the male / female options couldn't coexist with other options being a separate category, if we really need to have those anyway. It's also contradicting as hell:

"I am a real man / woman and I want to be accepted as such", then refusing to pick the real male / female options because that's not "inclusive" enough. I thought the entire purpose was wanting to be "fully" the opposite gender without any traces from your original gender remaining?

And then when you add a third or whichever option on top of the male and female options, then it's "oh, so you don't see us as real men / women, that's so transphobic", then you remove that third option so that they aren't seen as a separate category, then it's not "inclusive" enough and so on.

It always has to be something and it's an endless cycle which just makes no sense at all.

And just because it's acknowledged that they exist doesn't mean that we should stop acknowledging humans being male or female. Why can't I just load a default male character and call it a day? Why go through "Body part 1" nonsense in order to get a male character? Why is this the only possible way to make a character without being able to simply pick male / female like you could before?
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vonbleak Oct 17, 2022 @ 12:34pm 
Originally posted by Shodan:
Originally posted by vonbleak:

Not really man - dont be so precious and delicate - Body type 1 = male, body type 2 = female - Its pretty simple, we dont even know if there are any more options than that... There is nothing stopping you or restricting you or forcing you to choose anything you don't want to... Don't be such a baby...

The question is though - why should someone who is trans not be able to have an option thats right for them...? I mean pretending trans people dont exist is a bit silly...

I asked why the male / female options couldn't coexist with other options being a separate category, if we really need to have those anyway. It's also contradicting as hell:

"I am a real man / woman and I want to be accepted as such", then refusing to pick the real male / female options because that's not "inclusive" enough. I thought the entire purpose was wanting to be "fully" the opposite gender without any traces from your original gender remaining?

And then when you add a third or whichever option on top of the male and female options, then it's "oh, so you don't see us as real men / women, that's so transphobic", then you remove that third option so that they aren't seen as a separate category, then it's not "inclusive" enough and so on.

It always has to be something and it's an endless cycle which just makes no sense at all.

And just because it's acknowledged that they exist doesn't mean that we should stop acknowledging humans being male or female. Why can't I just load a default male character and call it a day? Why go through "Body part 1" nonsense in order to get a male character? Why is this the only possible way to make a character without being able to simply pick male / female like you could before?

You are way over complicating it man - Body type 1 IS male, body type 2 IS female - Whats the issue...? Is it really just because they are labelled as 'body type'...? Because last time i checked a male is a body type and so is a female - so again - whats the issue...?
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RadconX Oct 17, 2022 @ 1:29pm 
Not having gender in Saints Row made perfect sense as you build a character that can have be any shape. Variety is what's needed for a character creator. Those types of people do exist in the world unless you're expecting all men and all women to look the same in the game, which would he stupid. Saints Row has the best character creator of any ever made because it doesn't limit you and has an incredibly array of options... All you have to do is look at the types of characters being shared online and it's apparent.

If gender is an option in starfield that's perfectly fine too but I'd hope they don't limit certain options to the gender you choose unless it's related to the RPG aspects of it. Like how the black widow perk let you kill most of the male human enemies in fallout 3 where most human combatants at the time were male. Really it depends how good the character creator is and what the gender option ultimately does in the game that matters.
wtiger27 Oct 17, 2022 @ 3:53pm 
Originally posted by Shodan:
Originally posted by wtiger27:
There are different genders. It depends on which body type you select. But then again, if you want to play one body type, yet identify as another......who is going to stop you?

I love being a "Body type 1" or something just because the delusional 0.01% of the population doesn't acknowledge the fact that humans are either male or female.

This isn't just more choice on top of the existing male / female choices, this is getting rid of the male / female choices and forcing you to pick numbered body parts until you finally get something that resembles men / women, but don't you dare label anything as male / female because basic biology is offensive today, it seems. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous.

Why did the male / female options need to be removed? Why not keep that and add other options on top of that?

Unbelievable and disgusting.

Play the gender you want to. No one is forcing you to agree with anything. Do not take it personal. It's just a game with some role playing involved.

If you choose to create your char as masculine as you can, then you will have that option I am sure. So the fact is, there are gender options in the game.
pjedilord Oct 21, 2022 @ 3:04pm 
Originally posted by wtiger27:
Originally posted by Shodan:

I love being a "Body type 1" or something just because the delusional 0.01% of the population doesn't acknowledge the fact that humans are either male or female.

This isn't just more choice on top of the existing male / female choices, this is getting rid of the male / female choices and forcing you to pick numbered body parts until you finally get something that resembles men / women, but don't you dare label anything as male / female because basic biology is offensive today, it seems. Absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous.

Why did the male / female options need to be removed? Why not keep that and add other options on top of that?

Unbelievable and disgusting.

Play the gender you want to. No one is forcing you to agree with anything. Do not take it personal. It's just a game with some role playing involved.

If you choose to create your char as masculine as you can, then you will have that option I am sure. So the fact is, there are gender options in the game.

I hope they make the characters interesting playing them as SS had same skills.
Shodan Oct 21, 2022 @ 3:42pm 
Alright, let me try to explain the issue again:

What the ♥♥♥♥ kind of a logic is excluding already existing options (not just any kind of options, but the actual real ones) which apply to 99.99% of the population in the name of "inclusivity", only to please the delusional 0.01% which refuse to accept basic biology?

My issue here is that this "inclusivity" actually leads to the exact opposite thing which is excluding the vast majority of the population in favor of a negligible minority that doesn't even care about games, only pushing these nonsensical concepts of there being no such thing as male and female just because they (again, the 0.01%) don't feel that way, whatever that even means.

Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games and the very first game to feature same-sex marriage. This is actually great to have. You know why? Because having more options in an RPG, a role-playing game, is always better. If you're a homosexual man, you can be a male homosexual character. Same with homosexual women. If you remove the option to be male or female, that also goes against the very idea of homosexuality as well.

Just imagine being a homosexual man and your entire life is your family, your peers and whoever else constantly asking you the usual "HEY, YOU FIND ANY WOMAN YET?", but you keep trying to explain to them that you're not into women and they just ignore that. Then, after having to go through that so many times, it's suddenly YOU who becomes labeled a bigot for not being into a woman... Like, the entire point of being a homosexual man is that you're not into women and then someone ♥♥♥♥♥ on that entire idea that you've been trying to explain your whole life, and not just that, but they also call YOU a bigot after everything you've gone through, all because they refuse to accept that homosexual men are into men which is the entire ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ point, for ♥♥♥♥'s sake.

What's happening today is not adding more options for more people, instead the exact opposite, which is removal of the most basic and obvious options that apply to both genders, all races and all sexualities (so, the entire population of the entire planet)... and for what? For the delusional 0.01% of the population that likely won't even play the game?

Lastly, if a transgender person cannot stand the physical features they were born with and wishes to have features of the opposite gender, then why the hell would they want to preserve those features in this game if they bother them to the point that they're suicidal and wish to have serious surgeries?

Well, it doesn't even matter why, they can do that mixing in the game if they want to because as I explained above, that's just having more options, but... to return to the entire point I'm trying to make here... Why the ♥♥♥♥ did the male and female options have to get removed? If someone wants to be a mix of "body part 1" and "body part 2", good for them, but why make it so that everyone has to be a construction of numbered body parts instead of being simply male or female? That's not "inclusivity", that's exclusivity. And not just any kind of exclusivity because it's 99.99% of the world's population being excluded this way. How does that even make any sense?

If someone really had to be excluded, although I'm not even sure why since all these options can coexist without anything being sacrificed in favor of something else, then it's logical to exclude the negligible minorities, not the vast majority.

Oh and before someone accuses me of being whatever-the-♥♥♥♥-phobic, here's something I found:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771004/

"In addition, school principals are placing children at risk and are creating confusion in the minds of many children by giving in to the requests of parents to allow young children to change their names to those of the opposite sex, cross dress, and be accepted as being of the sex opposite of their biological sex. These school administrators either do not know or ignore medical and psychological science and research on transsexual issues and SRS. They are participating in a false belief that the children are not of their biological sex. Such a fixed, false belief is identified in the mental health field as a delusion."

This is from the National Library of Medicine (a .gov website, as legitimate as it gets, not some obscure far-right conspiracy theorist garbage or some stupid Reddit thread) which is a subsidiary of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health

There's also this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
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wtiger27 Oct 21, 2022 @ 5:03pm 
You need to understand OP, Microsoft owns Beth now. And Microsoft is a very liberal company. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it is not going to change anything. Just play the game and keep believing in your beliefs.

You want to play to have entertainment. Getting upset over the design of the game may interfere with that. Not a good thing.

I mean the computers we use in the great majority of the cases, uses a Microsoft OS. :P Use them, do not let them use you.
Last edited by wtiger27; Oct 21, 2022 @ 5:04pm
vonbleak Oct 21, 2022 @ 5:15pm 
Originally posted by Shodan:
Alright, let me try to explain the issue again:

What the ♥♥♥♥ kind of a logic is excluding already existing options (not just any kind of options, but the actual real ones) which apply to 99.99% of the population in the name of "inclusivity", only to please the delusional 0.01% which refuse to accept basic biology?

But they have not removed any options dude... Just a simple label change from male/female to body type 1/2... Is that really such a drama...?
Insomniac Jack Oct 21, 2022 @ 8:29pm 
Originally posted by vonbleak:
Originally posted by Shodan:
Alright, let me try to explain the issue again:

What the ♥♥♥♥ kind of a logic is excluding already existing options (not just any kind of options, but the actual real ones) which apply to 99.99% of the population in the name of "inclusivity", only to please the delusional 0.01% which refuse to accept basic biology?

But they have not removed any options dude... Just a simple label change from male/female to body type 1/2... Is that really such a drama...?

Should have have been 0 and 1 (the zero being women, just for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles).


Op, I read your little essay and you sound waaaay too invested in this without understanding the nature of these people's predicaments - and perhaps even your own. But more importantly, you fail to grasp the sinister goals of [REDACTED] for promoting, encouraging and taking advantage of a troubled minority. Decades from now, we will look back in horror or dismay, the same way we recollect past psychiatric treatments/torture methods, medical experimentation and false notions. In the name of science, for progress, for the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ environment. For the greater good of humanity, or rather, for the benefit of those deemed worthy of humanity.

In layman terms... you are being trolled by a greater, methodic entity, and you have taken the trany bait.
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