18 Years is a long time

[Ihateeverybody]

"The Colony War was a bloody conflict between the United Colonies and the Freestar Collective that occurred from 2308 to 2311." I will take your word for it, I wasn't there.

Same with the Great War in Skyrim, 18-20 years in the past.

How can I put this, they still expect this to be a current issue on peoples minds and motivating their actions. Would it though?

It boggles my mind so I will ask the class. Should Bethesda have written events within a closer time? I think 10 years would be too long, I would say 5 would be better, what are your thoughts, would it have made the stories touching on it mean more? The TM Quests in Vanguard, Sara's Quest.

[Lucius Confucius]

And? Some wars are long.

[Mixer]

Peope still talk about world war 2 today

[Raven]

WW1 was over 100 years ago, and the impact of decisions taken are still seen and talked about in areas such as the Middle East and Asia. Same as WWW2. Sino/Japaneese war was around 90 years ago and still affects Pacific region politics to this day. Lots of other examples, such as The Six-Day Arab–Israeli War, (30 years ago), The Korean War (70+ years ago), The Vietnam War, (ended 50 years ago), so I don't think the Starfield timeline is to far back to be impacting peoples actions/thoughts 20 years later in relation to the conflict.

[DANEDANGER]

True traumatic events end up in our dna and we pass that on to our young ones, this by now has been scientificly proven. Just take a look at england and france as example, they hurt each other that much there too this day is much distrust among the people towards the other nationality. Sure they also cooperate but there always is that underlaying hostility in the form of humerous comments and friendly jabs. Now relate that to a *Fictional* war that only ended 18 years ago, there are plenty of people alive then that remember or even participated in that war and they may be raising kids that in turn get to hear about that war.

True traumatic events are not done in 10 years orso, they can last generations

[Ruin]

The majority of human history is defined by it's wars... We mark major events by wars and conflicts...

Both WW1 and WW2 still hold considerable influence over society today, with major dates still recognised, such as Pearl Harbour in the US, ANZAC Day in Australia, and Remembrance Day the world over...

It's entirely reasonable that the Narion War, and the Colony War, would both have considerable influences on people's views in the Settled Systems, especially since the Colony War was less than 10 years before the events of the game...

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Ruin:

The majority of human history is defined by it's wars...

especially since the Colony War was less than 10 years before the events of the game...

Just a minor correction, not trying to start anything. 2308 to 2311. Start of the game is 2330 A.D.

But as to the discussion people keep bringing it up. I get that it was a major event and it cost alot of lives and everything but just little things seem....off.

1. Clint in Gagarin, talking about Mech Parts like he spends all day telling people he doesn't have them anymore.

2. Another Gagarin thing, Mech Plants shut down for almost 20 years and people just starting to get back to making things (Centauri Mills, Arc Lite, Reliant Medical.)

3. Ground pounders. This one really annoys me. "Didn't you guy's just fight a war".

There are likely more examples, but those give the Gist of it. I saw something Similar in Skyrim and Fallout 4 as if the Dialogue was meant for a previous time but something changed and now....it feels off.

It's still a Subject of General Conversation with NPCs. Sure it COULD Come up, but it seems a lot more in the General Consciousness so to speak.

Don't get me wrong, I could be imagining it.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Originally posted by Ruin:

The majority of human history is defined by it's wars...

especially since the Colony War was less than 10 years before the events of the game...

Just a minor correction, not trying to start anything. 2308 to 2311. Start of the game is 2330 A.D.

But as to the discussion people keep bringing it up. I get that it was a major event and it cost alot of lives and everything but just little things seem....off.

1. Clint in Gagarin, talking about Mech Parts like he spends all day telling people he doesn't have them anymore.

2. Another Gagarin thing, Mech Plants shut down for almost 20 years and people just starting to get back to making things (Centauri Mills, Arc Lite, Reliant Medical.)

3. Ground pounders. This one really annoys me. "Didn't you guy's just fight a war".

There are likely more examples, but those give the Gist of it. I saw something Similar in Skyrim and Fallout 4 as if the Dialogue was meant for a previous time but something changed and now....it feels off.

It's still a Subject of General Conversation with NPCs. Sure it COULD Come up, but it seems a lot more in the General Consciousness so to speak.

Don't get me wrong, I could be imagining it.

Even 20 years is still not long in terms of a major conflict... Really does depend on the level of losses during the conflict, and it is implied there was heavy losses on both sides, so 20 years is not unreasonable... /shrug

[Ihateeverybody]

Guessing its just a "me" thing then. Ok, thanks all!

Edit: Feel free to continue discussing or let it die. I don't want to say its over.

[bunny de fluff]

No offense, but you must be very young OP, maybe not even 25yo if I have to guess, because you think 18 year is long. It is literally 'yesterday' to a lot of us older people .

[Thord]

England and France fought what is now called "The 100 years war" and those countries are next to each other, Space is big. The Empire (Star Wars) reigned for about 25 years, always at war. The Borg versus the rest = forever? So no, 18 years is not a long time, space is big. 1967, the "Six-Day War". Think about the American War of Independence or the American Civil War.

How relevant to today a war is does not have much to do with how long ago it was but more to do with how things changed.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

No offense, but you must be very young OP, maybe not even 25yo if I have to guess, because you think 18 year is long. It is literally 'yesterday' to a lot of us older people .

Probly just my attitude. I am well into my 50's. I was there when the world was filling it to the rim with Brim. I saw the country torn apart by the great debate of Tastes Great or less filling. Yeah there was some other stuff in there as well.

Ooh, Smoking was not only accepted but Encouraged. Yeah, I hate smokers. Ok going to stop there. Going to the bad place again.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

No offense, but you must be very young OP, maybe not even 25yo if I have to guess, because you think 18 year is long. It is literally 'yesterday' to a lot of us older people .

Yeah, I still get, for lack of a better word, something akin to "chills" watching footage of September 11, and immediately think back to the morning (for me) watching it unfold on the news... It was just so surreal, to this day it still almost doesn't feel real when watching old footage, and that was almost 25 years ago now...

So, I really don't see it as unreasonable that a major interstellar conflict would still be a significant influence on people's world view in Starfield...

[DANEDANGER]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

Originally posted by Ruin:

The majority of human history is defined by it's wars...

especially since the Colony War was less than 10 years before the events of the game...

Just a minor correction, not trying to start anything. 2308 to 2311. Start of the game is 2330 A.D.

But as to the discussion people keep bringing it up. I get that it was a major event and it cost alot of lives and everything but just little things seem....off.

1. Clint in Gagarin, talking about Mech Parts like he spends all day telling people he doesn't have them anymore.

2. Another Gagarin thing, Mech Plants shut down for almost 20 years and people just starting to get back to making things (Centauri Mills, Arc Lite, Reliant Medical.)

3. Ground pounders. This one really annoys me. "Didn't you guy's just fight a war".

There are likely more examples, but those give the Gist of it. I saw something Similar in Skyrim and Fallout 4 as if the Dialogue was meant for a previous time but something changed and now....it feels off.

It's still a Subject of General Conversation with NPCs. Sure it COULD Come up, but it seems a lot more in the General Consciousness so to speak.

Don't get me wrong, I could be imagining it.

1 - Clint likely has been a factory worker and remembers the day vividly of its shutdown. It ment loss of work and without pay... you can see how badly it can turn and be a traumatic event. There likely are also stil people comming in regularly for these parts to do what ever with them. See this kinda like black undertabble artwork or ivory. Just because it is forbidden and outlawed does not mean there isnt a demand and demand creates markets sanctioned or not.

2 - It takes time to revert a militaric production facility into something else, depending the type of war some machine,s would likely to be recreated before they could acces the more advanced ones and produce with those.

3 - As was clear from the quest the commander has not forgotten that war but also realizes things only change if someone shows it can be different. During the questline you can talk plenty and read the sentiment among most of the people involved out there. None the less the commander knows showing good wil and be able to make that difference wil show up on freestar council table tops and shows things can and are slowly changing.

To you it may seem off but honestly and you may not like to hear this... but its a sign you have a good life, it is hard for you to experience and event in your life that is so traumatic it wil for ever change you in all ways posible. Not a bad thing mind you but many of us out there experience life in all aspects including trauma in various means and degree's of impact.

[Skumboni]

There are people all over the world that re-enact wars that happened hundreds of years ago.
The memory of some wars lasts for a long time.

[RasaNova]

Originally posted by Ruin:

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

No offense, but you must be very young OP, maybe not even 25yo if I have to guess, because you think 18 year is long. It is literally 'yesterday' to a lot of us older people .

Yeah, I still get, for lack of a better word, something akin to "chills" watching footage of September 11, and immediately think back to the morning (for me) watching it unfold on the news... It was just so surreal, to this day it still almost doesn't feel real when watching old footage, and that was almost 25 years ago now...

So, I really don't see it as unreasonable that a major interstellar conflict would still be a significant influence on people's world view in Starfield...

Yep. September 11th is a week away and I am already thinking about what happened 23 years ago.