So, who are exactly "verified creators"?

[spice_]

Are those the same dudes who developed stuff for Skyrim AE? Or somebody else? How does one even become one?

[Alyx]

Originally posted by HeyYou:

Originally posted by Alyx:

Question is, do I care? :) Seriously, this is a game; it's not going to make me question and re-evaluate the whole manner in which publishers do business: the game is not existential enough for me like that. I do hope modders get paid fairly, though, of course.

I think they will be pleased with getting paid AT ALL for their work. :D

I'm sure they'll get paid. You can sell paid-for mods, as Bethesda, and then not pay the modders. No one would put up with that. :)

[cbbgray]

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Verified Creators = Free modders who sold out like the guy who created Sim Settlements, hes a verified creator

I've read dumber stuff on the internet before, but this is close to the dumbest. You are just another crybaby who wants free stuff because you are totally ungrateful for the incredible work of dedicated modders. In short, you have NO idea what you are talking about. Watch this video from Kinggath (the "guy who created Sim Settlements") and see if you still can hold this asinine opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXGNyokX3A4

[_oBSOLEte_]

Originally posted by cbbgray:

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Verified Creators = Free modders who sold out like the guy who created Sim Settlements, hes a verified creator

I've read dumber stuff on the internet before, but this is close to the dumbest. You are just another crybaby who wants free stuff because you are totally ungrateful for the incredible work of dedicated modders. In short, you have NO idea what you are talking about. Watch this video from Kinggath (the "guy who created Sim Settlements") and see if you still can hold this asinine opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXGNyokX3A4

By all means just subscribe to that guy's Patreon, then.

Because it seems no one here knows what cut they'll receive from Bethesda with that new opaque system. People here don't care how modders are paid or where the money goes, but obviously there's money to be made. If it weren't the case Bethesda wouldnt bother.

[MadDawg2552]

Easy fix = don't buy paid mods.

[jhughes]

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Originally posted by tkwoods:

Nothing...

Again See: Minecraft Bedrock. Or if I have to explain their new "plug ins" they are literally just mods that used to be free for everyone now sold at exorbitant prices with no free alternatives and all work on java versions discontinued. This is what Bethesda/Microsoft want for Starfield.

So, get smart enough to create them for yourself or get out your checkbook. People have no requirement to give you things they create for free. They get to decide how much they want you to pay for it IF you choose to use it.

[Monochromatic Spider]

Originally posted by Sparse_tell:

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Verified Creators = Free modders who sold out like the guy who created Sim Settlements, hes a verified creator

Whats wrong with getting paid for what you love to do?

Problem is, when you're doing something because you like doing it, it's a hobby. You decide when you're satisfied with your hobby product, and that works out, because it's not a business product.

When you're getting paid by a company to do a job and you're not formally an employee of said company but purely hired to do a particular job, you're a freelancer. Freelancers are hired to do a job, but usually there are strict conditions on what you get paid for and when and how much. You get so many hours for this, so many for that.

And it isn't your project, it's the company's project. They own it, they make key decisions, they decide if it is go for launch. Once you've done your part, you hand it over as is and walk away. Does it work? Is it terrible? Doesn't matter.

Additionally, as a freelancer, you are not a hobbyist anymore. You're doing paid work. If you agree to do x and you agree to get paid 4 hours for it, but you can do it in 2, you'll still claim 4 hours and get paid better. But if you're unhappy with your work and decide to do extra, and it takes 6 hours total, you're still only getting 4. Your hourly rate plummets. Thus there is an incentive for all freelancers, in any industry, to only barely do the thing they're hired to do.

Hence why free mods are awesome whereas all these paid mods or "creations" tend to be very bad. Free mods evolve over time and are the result of actual care. Paid mods are business products where "is this good?" is a pointless question and what matters is "is this worth doing?".

[undefined]

They are people exploited for cheap labor.

[spice_]

Originally posted by Hadley:

They are people exploited for cheap labor.

So, just like 90% of the rest of the world, right?

[HeyYou]

Originally posted by Monochromatic Spider:

Originally posted by Sparse_tell:

Whats wrong with getting paid for what you love to do?

Problem is, when you're doing something because you like doing it, it's a hobby. You decide when you're satisfied with your hobby product, and that works out, because it's not a business product.

When you're getting paid by a company to do a job and you're not formally an employee of said company but purely hired to do a particular job, you're a freelancer. Freelancers are hired to do a job, but usually there are strict conditions on what you get paid for and when and how much. You get so many hours for this, so many for that.

And it isn't your project, it's the company's project. They own it, they make key decisions, they decide if it is go for launch. Once you've done your part, you hand it over as is and walk away. Does it work? Is it terrible? Doesn't matter.

Additionally, as a freelancer, you are not a hobbyist anymore. You're doing paid work. If you agree to do x and you agree to get paid 4 hours for it, but you can do it in 2, you'll still claim 4 hours and get paid better. But if you're unhappy with your work and decide to do extra, and it takes 6 hours total, you're still only getting 4. Your hourly rate plummets. Thus there is an incentive for all freelancers, in any industry, to only barely do the thing they're hired to do.

Hence why free mods are awesome whereas all these paid mods or "creations" tend to be very bad. Free mods evolve over time and are the result of actual care. Paid mods are business products where "is this good?" is a pointless question and what matters is "is this worth doing?".

Ah, but, in this case, it's a bit different than the last time around. I am sure modders will be contracted for some content. But, the way they have it set up this time, modders are given a CHOICE of putting their mods behind a paywall. They aren't contracted to beth for anything. They work on their own project, at their own speed, and release when they are ready. I am sure beth will review any mods uploaded...... before they are actually set loose on the general public.

[Daedrius]

Originally posted by ZAUR:

Are those the same dudes who developed stuff for Skyrim AE? Or somebody else? How does one even become one?

https://creations.bethesda.net/en/creators/bethesdagamestudios

Basically contract workers I guess.

[A. Silvermane]

Originally posted by Daedrius:

Basically contract workers I guess.

Sort of. Contract work means creating content commissioned by Bethesda, I think with the new system modders can create their own content, Bethesda just has to approve it first based on the rules they laid out but it doesn't have to conform to anything Bethesda came up with. Least that's how it works for Skyrim, it doesn't have to even be lore friendly.

[ThatZenoGuy]

Originally posted by Sparse_tell:

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Verified Creators = Free modders who sold out like the guy who created Sim Settlements, hes a verified creator

Whats wrong with getting paid for what you love to do?

Well...Nothing? Provided you do not lower the quality of your art.

But guess what all people who 'sell out' do?

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Daedrius:

Originally posted by ZAUR:

Are those the same dudes who developed stuff for Skyrim AE? Or somebody else? How does one even become one?

https://creations.bethesda.net/en/creators/bethesdagamestudios

Basically contract workers I guess.

There are two different things now. Creation Club is where you are essentially a contractor. You provide the idea and design document when you apply and if you're approved you get paid as you hit certain milestones.

The Verified Creator Program (which is only available for Skyrim as of now) is much more lax in terms of content restrictions and development/QA process but instead of getting paid as you work on your content, you get royalties for each purchase after your content is released

[_oBSOLEte_]

Originally posted by Daedrius:

Originally posted by ZAUR:

Are those the same dudes who developed stuff for Skyrim AE? Or somebody else? How does one even become one?

https://creations.bethesda.net/en/creators/bethesdagamestudios

Basically contract workers I guess.

I don't know how they manage to do a FAQ that's not even answering questions like "How are modders verified?" or "How much are the modders paid?"

Same newspeak fineprint language they used during launch I guess. 400M$ dollars for marketing.

[dmedic61]

Originally posted by _oBSOLEte_:

Originally posted by cbbgray:

I've read dumber stuff on the internet before, but this is close to the dumbest. You are just another crybaby who wants free stuff because you are totally ungrateful for the incredible work of dedicated modders. In short, you have NO idea what you are talking about. Watch this video from Kinggath (the "guy who created Sim Settlements") and see if you still can hold this asinine opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXGNyokX3A4

By all means just subscribe to that guy's Patreon, then.

Because it seems no one here knows what cut they'll receive from Bethesda with that new opaque system. People here don't care how modders are paid or where the money goes, but obviously there's money to be made. If it weren't the case Bethesda wouldnt bother.

The modders get 25 percent, Valve gets 30 and Bethesda gets 45 percent.
A simple search on the search engine of your choice would have told you this.
https://www.vg247.com/paid-mods-steam-workshop-skyrim-bethesda-valve-revenue-split-controversy#:~:text=Bethesda%20outlined%20the%20revenue%20split%20delivered%20by%20the,determined%20by%20Bethesda%2C%20not%20Valve%2C%20at%20its%20discretion.