Does the legendary drop rate increase with NG+, my NG5 is near null for them

[robbyhensley]

I have three characters, one NG+5, one is NG+4 and the other has not gone NG.

It seems for my highest level character that NG5 is not dropping legendaries beyond trash mele weapons and less than advanced weapons and at a way lower drop frequency than in previous NG+ play throughs.

What have you seen with the NG+ from 5 up?
Did they make a change to drop rates?

[HeyYou]

Theoretically, the higher your level, the higher the likelihood of legendary drops. It is also modified by the level of the system you are in, and the difficulty level you are playing at. You can kinda 'fool' the game into increasing the drops by setting difficulty to Very Hard right before you go thru a load door, and then, once on the other side, all the enemies have spawned, along with the loot, and you can change it back to whatever you care to, and still have the higher likelihood of legendaries. :D

I just play on very hard, and call it a day. Of course, in those level 75 systems, even the fauna are DEADLY with that combination. :D

[robbyhensley]

Originally posted by HeyYou:

Theoretically, the higher your level, the higher the likelihood of legendary drops. It is also modified by the level of the system you are in, and the difficulty level you are playing at. You can kinda 'fool' the game into increasing the drops by setting difficulty to Very Hard right before you go thru a load door, and then, once on the other side, all the enemies have spawned, along with the loot, and you can change it back to whatever you care to, and still have the higher likelihood of legendaries. :D

I just play on very hard, and call it a day. Of course, in those level 75 systems, even the fauna are DEADLY with that combination. :D

I am just not seeing that.

I am set for very hard made and have played it that way since NG+1 and I only POI farm in level 75 systems. The drops are better for my NG+4 character doing the same.

Thank you for the reply though, I thought I was to see better version of legendaries and an increased chance to get them; but just the opposite is happening. Then I have been doing a lot of ship captures as the highest frequency of Mark III ships like Claymore III and Prophesy III are found in serpentis system, which is level 55. Legendaries drop but crap legendaries that are not advanced or useful. My NG+4 character is seeing advanced legendaries; but useless stuff like a grendel, which nobody should ever use as it's a waste of ammo and you will die before doing enough damage.

In NG+3 I got a legenrady Inflictor that was really nice, seems that's a once only thing in this game.

[tkwoods]

How does character level play into it? NG+ adds difficulty but I'm not sure where it ranks with the character skill level.

[Langkard]

There is a flat 10% chance of a legendary drop. Full stop. It does not scale with your NG+, your level, NPC level, or system level. And then the game rolls for what type: armor, gun, or melee. Then another roll for the perks.

So,

10% chance a legendary will drop, 20% of an epic, 70% chance of a rare.

Then a 33% chance it will be a gun, 52% chance of armor, 15% chance a melee weapon. Numbers approximate.

You can do a search and multiple reddit posts about it. One player did 100 kills on the same level 98 elite pirate. Another did 2,215 skills on legendary spacers. The actual % may be slightly different, but it is close to the results achieved by the reddit posts.

[HeyYou]

Originally posted by tkwoods:

How does character level play into it? NG+ adds difficulty but I'm not sure where it ranks with the character skill level.

As the player gets higher level, so do the enemies. To a point.... so, higher odds of having a legendary show up. I don't know how they all interact though, gotta wait for the CK to drop to see just what's up under the hood.

That, and I think the experience is different for everyone. I am level 230 something, playing on very hard, and farming legionaries in level 75 systems, and just about ALL of my equipment is gold. I have one weapon (out of 5 I carry) that isn't, but, for the life of me, I can't recall which one it is at the moment. :)

[HeyYou]

Originally posted by Langkard:

There is a flat 10% chance of a legendary drop. Full stop. It does not scale with your NG+, your level, NPC level, or system level. And then the game rolls for what type: armor, gun, or melee. Then another roll for the perks.

So,

10% chance a legendary will drop, 20% of an epic, 70% chance of a rare.

Then a 33% chance it will be a gun, 52% chance of armor, 15% chance a melee weapon. Numbers approximate.

You can do a search and multiple reddit posts about it. One player did 100 kills on the same level 98 elite pirate. Another did 2,215 skills on legendary spacers. The actual % may be slightly different, but it is close to the results achieved by the reddit posts.

Really? That is most certainly interesting. :D May have to do a bit of experimentation of my own. :D

[Arkham99]

Originally posted by robbyhensley:

I have three characters, one NG+5, one is NG+4 and the other has not gone NG.

It seems for my highest level character that NG5 is not dropping legendaries beyond trash mele weapons and less than advanced weapons and at a way lower drop frequency than in previous NG+ play throughs.

What have you seen with the NG+ from 5 up?
Did they make a change to drop rates?

don't know if it affects it, or not... but I don't always grab Legendary/Epic/Rare stuff just because of the colourful banner... if it's not something I think I'll use, I'll just leave it... perhaps the less amount you grab equals better frequency of the drops... just a theory, this is what I use and I'm seeing them more frequently perhaps than you (NG+3)...:-)

[Ǥɾᴧᴤʆᴧᵯᴧ]

#Legendary enemy spawn chance multiplier
Very Easy game mode(Default 0.2500)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_VE 0.5000

Easy game mode(Default 0.5000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_E 0.7500

Normal game mode(Default 1.0000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_N 1.5000

Hard game mode(Default 1.5000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_H 3.0000

Very Hard game mode(Default 2.0000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_VH 5.000

[Langkard]

Originally posted by Ǥɾᴧᴤʆᴧᵯᴧ:

#Legendary enemy spawn chance multiplier
Very Easy game mode(Default 0.2500)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_VE 0.5000

Easy game mode(Default 0.5000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_E 0.7500

Normal game mode(Default 1.0000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_N 1.5000

Hard game mode(Default 1.5000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_H 3.0000

Very Hard game mode(Default 2.0000)
SetGS fDiffMultLegendaryChance_VH 5.000

Yep. I believe that those are the multipliers on the base 10% chance. I haven't found any multipliers for armor vs gun vs melee or for the types of perks, but they could be there and I'm just missing them. There are also definite armor/gun/melee lists for each of the main NPC's, i.e. spacers, Va'ruun zealots, and pirates which affect the chance of getting a particular armor or weapon type, but I haven't found specific percentages. That stuff is buried somewhere in the files and will likely need more patience than I have to find them.

[Geldric™]

Originally posted by robbyhensley:

Does the legendary drop rate increase with NG+, my NG5 is near null for them

So the answer is NO. NG+ has no impact on legendary drop rate. It is based on player level and difficulty setting.

My level 91 character, which has not completed any of the main story (so obv no NG+) but plays on Very Hard is getting plenty of legendary drops. So much so that I have multiple chests in my outpost stuffed with legendary gear.

[robbyhensley]

Originally posted by Geldric™:

Originally posted by robbyhensley:

Does the legendary drop rate increase with NG+, my NG5 is near null for them

So the answer is NO. NG+ has no impact on legendary drop rate. It is based on player level and difficulty setting.

My level 91 character, which has not completed any of the main story (so obv no NG+) but plays on Very Hard is getting plenty of legendary drops. So much so that I have multiple chests in my outpost stuffed with legendary gear.

I am just not seeing it on my level 230 NG+5 very hard mode character.
Here is an example of what I see drop: (go to timestamp 24m24s it appears the forum iisn't reading the timestamp marker)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEufyfRGCM8&t=1464s
The link is to a part of a video where I look through the list of items I have cleaned out of my ships cargo and dumped in the lodge abysal storage for data collection and review, clearly I get pushed a lot of trash and legendaries that are just nothing burgers.

It doesn't matter anymore, made a new character and and using item codes to create the armor set and stats I want to work with , same with weapons. Going to play like this until I am done then move on to another game. This has been fun; but I am encountering bugs and lousy loot now that have diminished it all to almost not wanting to login and play anymore. Which I played a lot of hours and enjoyed the game very much, just not so much anymore now that the loot is just really disappointing now.