Starborn Gravis Suit

[LeBurns]

Okay, how can this thing be achievement friendly? This is the most cheating, OP, over-the-top, powerful suit you can possibly make. You are practically invincible with this suit on, particularly at low level. I get that it's a BGS creation, but come on. If this is achievement friendly you may as well not have anything block achievements.

[Krash Megiddo]

Achievement friendly means the mod doesn't disable achievements. But thanks for this description because now i want this suit

[LeBurns]

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Achievement friendly means the mod doesn't disable achievements. But thanks for this description because now i want this suit

I know what it means, but if you are cheating your way through the game by wearing this suit why bother disabling achievements at all?

[utahcowboy]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Okay, how can this thing be achievement friendly? This is the most cheating, OP, over-the-top, powerful suit you can possibly make. You are practically invincible with this suit on, particularly at low level. I get that it's a BGS creation, but come on. If this is achievement friendly you may as well not have anything block achievements.

Some folks complained that the rewards for becoming Starborn weren't good enough to justify going through the Unity. My guess is this is an attempt at addressing that. I haven't used the suit yet (I'm waiting to play SF again after Shattered Space comes out), but based on what you just said about it, it sounds like a good reward, but I can also see why you believe it's overpowered.

[Krash Megiddo]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Achievement friendly means the mod doesn't disable achievements. But thanks for this description because now i want this suit

I know what it means, but if you are cheating your way through the game by wearing this suit why bother disabling achievements at all?

If wearing the suit is fun for me in this single player game, its not cheating. Its weird how you are trying to associate wearing an OP suit to achievements. Are they really that important to you?

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Achievement friendly means the mod doesn't disable achievements. But thanks for this description because now i want this suit

I know what it means, but if you are cheating your way through the game by wearing this suit why bother disabling achievements at all?

The achievement disabling thing has never made any sense to begin with, you can just put everything on very easy and save scum a bit to complete 100% achievements in a record time if you want

Steam achievements are an extra-game feature that has no meaning whatsoever

[A. Silvermane]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

You are practically invincible with this suit on, particularly at low level.

Sounds like getting the Mark I suit before they patched the exploit

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Originally posted by LeBurns:

You are practically invincible with this suit on, particularly at low level.

Sounds like getting the Mark I suit before they patched the exploit :fhappy:

I think the suit is intended to be used after your first ng+ like any starborn suit but it seems that its available on a lvl 1 playthrough too

[LeBurns]

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Originally posted by LeBurns:

I know what it means, but if you are cheating your way through the game by wearing this suit why bother disabling achievements at all?

If wearing the suit is fun for me in this single player game, its not cheating. Its weird how you are trying to associate wearing an OP suit to achievements. Are they really that important to you?

I suppose I was under the impression that achievements needed to be earned, and that disabling them when mods or console commands are used, was done to keep someone from 'cheating' to get them. 'Cheating' in reference here to the achievement system, not against another player.

Personally I've never checked achievements and couldn't tell you what I have or not have now, but once I saw what this suit had in stats, and then noted it was achievement friendly, I figured I must but misunderstanding what the whole achievement rewards was for.

[Raven]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Achievement friendly means the mod doesn't disable achievements. But thanks for this description because now i want this suit

I know what it means, but if you are cheating your way through the game by wearing this suit why bother disabling achievements at all?

So don't put it on until you're about to enter unity.

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

If wearing the suit is fun for me in this single player game, its not cheating. Its weird how you are trying to associate wearing an OP suit to achievements. Are they really that important to you?

I suppose I was under the impression that achievements needed to be earned, and that disabling them when mods or console commands are used, was done to keep someone from 'cheating' to get them. 'Cheating' in reference here to the achievement system, not against another player.

Personally I've never checked achievements and couldn't tell you what I have or not have now, but once I saw what this suit had in stats, and then noted it was achievement friendly, I figured I must but misunderstanding what the whole achievement rewards was for.

Any console command disables achievement, even if you just fix a quest that glitched and stopped progressing so no theres no particular logic as to why achievements are disabled.

[Krash Megiddo]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

If wearing the suit is fun for me in this single player game, its not cheating. Its weird how you are trying to associate wearing an OP suit to achievements. Are they really that important to you?

I suppose I was under the impression that achievements needed to be earned, and that disabling them when mods or console commands are used, was done to keep someone from 'cheating' to get them. 'Cheating' in reference here to the achievement system, not against another player.

Personally I've never checked achievements and couldn't tell you what I have or not have now, but once I saw what this suit had in stats, and then noted it was achievement friendly, I figured I must but misunderstanding what the whole achievement rewards was for.

I get your perspective now. But its not in sync with what the mod authors mean by "achievement friendly". Mods in general will always disable achievements, but the mod authors want the buyer to know their mod doesn't disable achievements.

You're saying, "this MOD makes the game so easy, the achievements become obsolete", correct?

[LeBurns]

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

I get your perspective now. But its not in sync with what the mod authors mean by "achievement friendly". Mods in general will always disable achievements, but the mod authors want the buyer to know their mod doesn't disable achievements.

You're saying, "this game makes the game so easy, the achievements become obsolete", correct?

Yeah something like that. The whole idea that achievements are something you 'earn' gets thrown out the window when mods like that are available.

[Geldric™]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Yeah something like that. The whole idea that achievements are something you 'earn' gets thrown out the window when mods like that are available.

WeMOD

has enter this thread and rendered all your arguments obsolete

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

I get your perspective now. But its not in sync with what the mod authors mean by "achievement friendly". Mods in general will always disable achievements, but the mod authors want the buyer to know their mod doesn't disable achievements.

You're saying, "this game makes the game so easy, the achievements become obsolete", correct?

Yeah something like that. The whole idea that achievements are something you 'earn' gets thrown out the window when mods like that are available.

Its thrown out the window with easy difficulty and save scumming, achievement enabler mods or even achievement completion mods (just install mod and get 100% - exists for most games)

Single player games achievements mean absolutely nothing.

[Krash Megiddo]

Originally posted by Geldric™:

Originally posted by LeBurns:

Yeah something like that. The whole idea that achievements are something you 'earn' gets thrown out the window when mods like that are available.

WeMOD

has enter this thread and rendered all your arguments obsolete

As a Borderlands 2 veteran, WeMOD is my friend