So the paid Vulture Quest (7 bucks) length is.. 15 minutes if you skip the walking/fast travel between the objectives.

[Dreambox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5aWdSmRbBI

This guy just uploaded the paid quest, the video skip all the walking in the wild parts to just focus on the quest itself, and only last 15 minutes... Which is ~1€/$ for every two minutes of gameplay.. Thanks Bethesda, I guess..

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by PCRoco45:

Originally posted by kdodds:

You're being completely disingenuous here. First, you automatically receive 1,000 credits. The purchase price is 700 credits. So, it costs you nothing. Second, it adds a Tracker's Alliance HQ to Akila City. You know in Cydonia (or you probably don't, actually) when you meet the TA agent who sends you on a short mission? Yeah. After that you're only connected to them through the kiosks. This makes them real. They have agents that will approach you. And so on. It's not as much a mission as it is the addition of the TA HQ. For RPing purposes, it's an awesome add on. Third, as with all incessant gripers, welcome to the block bin. Hopefully you don't need my help in the future.

All this does is highlight that this was cut content. Anyone who played that half assed 3 minute Trackers Alliance mission on Mars knows that it abruptly ends and clearly was cut content.

Now we have paid episodic Trackers Alliance quests like this is some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ live service game and they don't even utilize the Brigs on our ship because Bethesda is too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lazy to flesh out a game mechanic.

A mod without the CK was able to make Brigs somewhat functional. Bethesda couldn't even put a modicum of effort into at the very least adding paid Trackers Alliance quests that functionally complete a gameplay loop and do something different. There is no roleplaying here, it's not immersive. Neutralizing someone and then leaving them there for someone else to pickup is the opposite of roleplaying and immersive.

It's all pathetic. Same with people that support this donkey show.

The main Trackers alliance quest is IN THE BASE GAME. NOT a creation, not paid.

More paid quests will come on the CC and you are indeed free to never buy them. It won't change your in game experience much at all, just like it was a complete nothingburger in skyrim and fallout4.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Wrinkly:

Originally posted by Emphoise:

the premium package is the DLC+some skins, so yeah the 1000 credits were not included in that purchase and therefore "free".

From your prespective those who didn't purchase the premium package also received 1,000 Con Club Credits?

You could always ask to join the ongoing 'Class Action' over the F4 CC issue. I have no idea what the legal bill is at present, but i'm sure all contributions will be welcome. FYI. That action tried to stop the Microsoft purchases of Bethesda, that went well.

[ƬᗩԲԲվ]

Originally posted by Emphoise:

your narrative instantly fails because there is a complete self sufficient quest and faction coming to the base game for FREE in the last update.

I'm looking at a fully voiced quest by Bethesda that could easily have been in the base game but costs money. And done before any significant update or DLC. So what are you talking about?

Is the vulture free? Otherwise it's wasted manpower that could have gone to other obligations they had.

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by ƬᗩԲԲվ:

Originally posted by Emphoise:

your narrative instantly fails because there is a complete self sufficient quest and faction coming to the base game for FREE in the last update.

I'm looking at a fully voiced quest by Bethesda that could easily have been in the base game but costs money. And done before any significant update or DLC. So what are you talking about?

Is the vulture free? Otherwise it's wasted manpower that could have gone to other obligations they had.

The main trackers alliance quest, that lets you becoming member of the trackers alliance and includes a fully voiced mini faction with its own bounty mission board and a quest with a new space station location is IN THE BASE GAME, NOT A CREATION. You can start it just after updating your game

The vulture quest is an additional mission, related to the trackers alliance (new bounty with VA characters etc).

[CurrySpirals]

Originally posted by Mortal_Kasi:

I think the problem here is that there will be more then one Mission you have to buy after the vulture thing right?

I would be cool with it if the whole package where about 10 Bucks so that you can get everything for the free 1000 Credits we are getting with the Premium Package.

Do we even know how many Missions are planned?

Also i never used Payed Creation Club Stuff, how many Credits do i get for 5 Bucks?

Yeah, I’d get a Trackers Alliance quest line for 700 points, but going to pass on buying them piecemeal. It’s not worth getting mad about though. Just wait, don’t buy it. No big deal.

[ƬᗩԲԲվ]

Originally posted by Emphoise:

The main trackers alliance quest, that lets you becoming member of the trackers alliance and includes a fully voiced mini faction with its own bounty mission board and a quest with a new space station location is IN THE BASE GAME, NOT A CREATION. You can start it just after updating your game

The vulture quest is an additional mission, related to the trackers alliance (new bounty with VA characters etc).

Yeah I saw that in the patch notes. It would have been a win releasing that along with CK but they had to be greedy. My point is this game is not finished. They should not be paywalling ANY content right now.

[Wrinkly]

Originally posted by ƬᗩԲԲվ:

Originally posted by Emphoise:

The main trackers alliance quest, that lets you becoming member of the trackers alliance and includes a fully voiced mini faction with its own bounty mission board and a quest with a new space station location is IN THE BASE GAME, NOT A CREATION. You can start it just after updating your game

The vulture quest is an additional mission, related to the trackers alliance (new bounty with VA characters etc).

Yeah I saw that in the patch notes. It would have been a win releasing that along with CK but they had to be greedy. My point is this game is not finished. They should not be paywalling ANY content right now.

You are arguing with a shill. Ignore him.

Originally posted by Wrinkly:

Originally posted by Emphoise:

No, from my perspective and by any account of reality the 1000 credits are a free item coming with the premium edition purchase

I think I see the issue here and it's not with the title

[Maximus!]

Don't buy any of this ♥♥♥♥ and let them freak out

[AdahnGorion]

One thing people forget is that over 25 million people got the game for free via Xbox Gamepass (that they have to play online)
These players (the xbox players) are much more likely to buy dlcs and micros, because they did not use money on the game.

PC players will obviously stay away for the most parts.

[[PC]Roco45]

Originally posted by Emphoise:

Originally posted by PCRoco45:

All this does is highlight that this was cut content. Anyone who played that half assed 3 minute Trackers Alliance mission on Mars knows that it abruptly ends and clearly was cut content.

Now we have paid episodic Trackers Alliance quests like this is some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ live service game and they don't even utilize the Brigs on our ship because Bethesda is too ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lazy to flesh out a game mechanic.

A mod without the CK was able to make Brigs somewhat functional. Bethesda couldn't even put a modicum of effort into at the very least adding paid Trackers Alliance quests that functionally complete a gameplay loop and do something different. There is no roleplaying here, it's not immersive. Neutralizing someone and then leaving them there for someone else to pickup is the opposite of roleplaying and immersive.

It's all pathetic. Same with people that support this donkey show.

The main Trackers alliance quest is IN THE BASE GAME. NOT a creation, not paid.

More paid quests will come on the CC and you are indeed free to never buy them. It won't change your in game experience much at all, just like it was a complete nothingburger in skyrim and fallout4.

Thanks for a comment filled with nothing lmao

Anything else you'd like to add to that? Any Counter to anything I said? No? Just more mindless shilling? Got it.

[revjwh]

Originally posted by Emphoise:

Originally posted by ƬᗩԲԲվ:

I'm looking at a fully voiced quest by Bethesda that could easily have been in the base game but costs money. And done before any significant update or DLC. So what are you talking about?

Is the vulture free? Otherwise it's wasted manpower that could have gone to other obligations they had.

The main trackers alliance quest, that lets you becoming member of the trackers alliance and includes a fully voiced mini faction with its own bounty mission board and a quest with a new space station location is IN THE BASE GAME, NOT A CREATION. You can start it just after updating your game

The vulture quest is an additional mission, related to the trackers alliance (new bounty with VA characters etc).

Do you work for Bethesda? One of the paid modders? Otherwise simply repeating yourself over and over doesn't make what you say valid. The 'Tracker Faction' is a bare bones procedurally generated pile of steaming garbage other than 2 quests (2!) - that is not a faction. Factions of go here, kill this - yay! is boring and stupid and gamers want stories with twists, turns, betrayals etc. The writing of SF is mostly on a 10 year old level esp. the new content. In 5 minutes I meet an agent, go see No. 1 or "No One" (oooohhhhhh how clever) and am given a quest in a 5 room HQ with 3 other NPCs thrown in with some minimal dialogue for flavor. Wow.

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by revjwh:

Originally posted by Emphoise:

The main trackers alliance quest, that lets you becoming member of the trackers alliance and includes a fully voiced mini faction with its own bounty mission board and a quest with a new space station location is IN THE BASE GAME, NOT A CREATION. You can start it just after updating your game

The vulture quest is an additional mission, related to the trackers alliance (new bounty with VA characters etc).

Do you work for Bethesda? One of the paid modders? Otherwise simply repeating yourself over and over doesn't make what you say valid. The 'Tracker Faction' is a bare bones procedurally generated pile of steaming garbage other than 2 quests (2!) - that is not a faction. Factions of go here, kill this - yay! is boring and stupid and gamers want stories with twists, turns, betrayals etc. The writing of SF is mostly on a 10 year old level esp. the new content. In 5 minutes I meet an agent, go see No. 1 or "No One" (oooohhhhhh how clever) and am given a quest in a 5 room HQ with 3 other NPCs thrown in with some minimal dialogue for flavor. Wow.

Its a free quest with voice acting which is straight up better than previous quests with no voice acting featured on the creation store for skyrim and fallout 4.

As for those previous games, you will never ever have to buy CC credits. Free mods are still a thing, paid mods are optional.

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by PCRoco45:

Originally posted by Emphoise:

The main Trackers alliance quest is IN THE BASE GAME. NOT a creation, not paid.

More paid quests will come on the CC and you are indeed free to never buy them. It won't change your in game experience much at all, just like it was a complete nothingburger in skyrim and fallout4.

Thanks for a comment filled with nothing lmao

Anything else you'd like to add to that? Any Counter to anything I said? No? Just more mindless shilling? Got it.

You will never have to buy episodic paid mods

Regular free updates will be a thing until dev support is over, free mods are n9t going anywhere.

Your narrative is wrong from start to finish.

[revjwh]

Translation: Emphoise works for Bethesda.

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by revjwh:

Translation: Emphoise works for Bethesda.

Thatd how you instantly lose an argument

Not that you had any chance at winning