Where did it go wrong for you?

[I Denizen I]

An extrapolation of Ritebyday's topic (Knowing what we know now) and a question posed by Alanc9 :
(Can any "no" voters explain what they got wrong about the game? Threads like this always make me wonder how so many people who shouldn't have bought the game ended up buying it.)

I watched the pre release videos by Todd and co, and it attracted my attention, I recall saying to a friend "If this game is as good as it looks, I'll be sweatbanding and pop bottling."

Next decision, buy on steam and have access to mods from day one (no CK kit mods, but mods and dev console.) or just play on my series X, I already had a game pass subscription.

At the end of Oct I ended up with an eye problem and a £500 bill for a new pair of Glasses, so Series X and game pass it was, I'd live with no mods/dev console.

Initially, I thought "Wow" this game is really good (first 10 hours?) and then as I played longer and longer, small things began to either irritate me, or jar me out of my suspension of disbelief, Lore not making sense, quest pacing (looking at you UC vanguard quest) over all though still enjoying myself.

Then I started to experience more of the side quest content, paradiso & human ark ship, what a let down that was, bad writing, bad choices, just bad. (i could wax eloquently here, but I'm trying to keep this from being a monster post.) again more exposure to quests, more my irritation grew.

Then I started to dig into the meat of Ship building / Outposts, again incomprehensible design choices from simple things, like why no storage for parts? bad rotation options, no functional base blocks (again brevity) Outposts, why? was my conclusion, they are pointless. And producing metric long tons of materials and having to hand ball it to my ship, then carry 2000lbs of gear up and down neon, bench skipping time was me drawing to a close with my tolerance for the game.

Lots of loadscreens, not fantastic, no real space flight, not great. not in of itself a deal breaker for me, but another minor irritant.

Solving the UC quest line, with Sarah my companion the entire time, getting thanked by the president, and then not 5 mins later downstairs I miss clicked on an item, security attacked me, Sarah went ballistic for not upholding the Constellations reputation.
I'd just saved the UC homeworld and dealt with the terramorphs for ever, but a 2 cred item was enough to make me criminal entity number one, no dialogue to apologise and put it down, say it was an accident, nothing at all, you're just a bad guy. (this simplicity ruined my immersion) as it happened as well in a massive 3 way space brawl, a single misplaced shot, while spinning around like a lunatic saving the UC fleet.

And of course, the absolutely terrible skill system, basic functions locked in, boring repetitive ways of levelling them up, another tired old system, but again not a deal breaker, an irritant.

Temples / powers, I got pretty bored with this fast, no variation, same float about every time, same single mob ambush, again not a deal breaker, but yet another irritant.

By now the scales are firmly tipping to the not loving it side, all the many minor things are now drastically outweighing the ones I do enjoy.

I did not like the forced morality of the main quest either, or the lack of mature content.

NG+, again not a deal breaker, but a singularly spectacular lack of imagination on show.

I expected so much more from Bethesda, my initial joy and happiness was replaced with "why? why did they do this? why did they do that?, this makes no sense."

It is a game with almost limitless potential when it comes to sucking a player in and keeping them locked in (but it doesn't), because they seem to have bare boned every system, or just imported the same system/mechanics from older games, and in some cases they have regressed them.

Yes, they need to space to build, they need space to expand, they need room to grow the game, but the base game itself needs to be good enough, good enough to keep you wanting more while time passes for that expansion.

So TLDR : nothing in of itself was a immediate deal breaker, but as time passed my ability to ignore the parts I didn't enjoy/like diminished rapidly, as I experienced more of it.

Hope that helps.

[Oubley]

got off on bad foot with no ps5
- found lack of economy disturbing
- ship building lackluster and behind to many walls
- made crafting worse then fallout 4
- they only marginally improved combat.

If they wanted people to play more, need better faction experience/economy.
or even more daring and make the companion system to be more mass effect.

essentially they haven't improved the story telling experience, didn't give us anything new really, and didn't really improve upon any of the previous game mechanics

when you heap a ton of mediocrity upon the 8+ version of a game (Elder scrolls 5 + 2 fallouts + ????)

Elder scrolls games have had horses forever, and you can't give us buggies/land vehicles even in a space game like this?

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Think it was clearing the same exact POI for the 3rd time, oh how naive I was to think 3 was a high number...

[PeaceMaker]

"It is a game with almost limitless potential when it comes to sucking a player in and keeping them locked in, "

No it isn't. It's what we IMAGINED it was going to be that kept us in for a bit. The further I went along, the more I saw how vacuous and facile and woke in the extreme it was. Andreja got me holding on a a tiny bit longer, but I knew Andreja was just a tiny concession to us `sexist males`- You could literally feel it. It was like the woke Devs were giving us scraps from their `superior` table as they looked down on us in disgust.

After that the rest of the game just got worse and I quit. The game disgusted me in how garbage it was and the Devs expected us to like it.

[I Denizen I]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

"It is a game with almost limitless potential when it comes to sucking a player in and keeping them locked in, "

No it isn't. It's what we IMAGINED it was going to be that kept us in for a bit. The further I went along, the more I saw how vacuous and facile and woke in the extreme it was. Andreja got me holding on a a tiny bit longer, but I knew Andreja was just a tiny concession to us `sexist males`- You could literally feel it. It was like the woke Devs were giving us scraps from their `superior` table.

After that the rest of the game just got worse and I quit.

Perhaps you misunderstood my point, it had potential, but they stripped everything back to a minimum, it realised none of it, so it's just wasted potential.

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

"It is a game with almost limitless potential when it comes to sucking a player in and keeping them locked in, "

No it isn't. It's what we IMAGINED it was going to be that kept us in for a bit. The further I went along, the more I saw how vacuous and facile and woke in the extreme it was. Andreja got me holding on a a tiny bit longer, but I knew Andreja was just a tiny concession to us `sexist males`- You could literally feel it. It was like the woke Devs were giving us scraps from their `superior` table.

After that the rest of the game just got worse and I quit.

Perhaps you misunderstood my point, it had potential, but they stripped everything back to a minimum, it realised none of it, so it's just wasted potential.

I did misunderstand. Apologies.

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

"It is a game with almost limitless potential when it comes to sucking a player in and keeping them locked in, "

No it isn't. It's what we IMAGINED it was going to be that kept us in for a bit. The further I went along, the more I saw how vacuous and facile and woke in the extreme it was. Andreja got me holding on a a tiny bit longer, but I knew Andreja was just a tiny concession to us `sexist males`- You could literally feel it. It was like the woke Devs were giving us scraps from their `superior` table.

After that the rest of the game just got worse and I quit.

Perhaps you misunderstood my point, it had potential, but they stripped everything back to a minimum, it realised none of it, so it's just wasted potential.

If you go into a game with high expectation then you are more likely to be disappointed and vice versa. The problem with Starfield is we were expecting something better than FO4 and... instead it's kinda a step backwards.

[©.VorteX]

gee where do i start?


- sick of bugs

- sick of crashing

- sick of shameless copy-pasting of assets

- sick TO DEATH of RNG-based skills

- sick of bad performance when literally every other game i play looks a lot better and runs far smoother. FFS Counter Strike 2 has far better water effects and it's basically a 20+ year old game that got a spit polish!
Shall i mention Helldivers 2 as well? That game is such eye candy at times, and even when the battle is raging and you got people spamming air strikes and enemies and buildings flying into pieces everywhere and fog and thunderstorms, it still runs smooth as silk.
Starfield is just plain inferior in this regard.

- main quest was a huge letdown. At this point in the history of entertainment any writer who proposes taking the multiverse route should be fired and barred from the profession forever.

- not a single worthy character, except maybe Vae Victis and Andreja. The latter being the blandest example of a dark past character i've ever seen.

- nauseated by the amount of wokeness. Starfield is next-level about it. It almost feels like a videogame designed for political reeducation.

- shallow and derivative setting.

- no actual exploration. It's all like a series of small rooms connected by loading screens. No Man's Sky has not only seamless transition from space to planet, but also - almost literally - infinitely more variety. Oh and multiplayer.

- near absence of any space mission that isn't just "go there and kill 3-4 ships"

- disappointed by every single weapon being hitscan

- lame crafting

- pointless outpost building

- repetitive enemies, creatures and planets.


It staggers the mind that some people actually defend it. It's like advocating for coprophagy.

[I Denizen I]

Originally posted by ©.VorteX:

gee where do i start?


- sick of bugs

- sick of crashing

- sick of shameless copy-pasting of assets

- sick TO DEATH of RNG-based skills

- sick of bad performance when literally every other game i play looks a lot better and runs far smoother. FFS Counter Strike 2 has far better water effects and it's basically a 20+ year old game who got a spit polish!

- main quest was a huge letdown. At this point in the history of entertainment any writer who proposes taking the multiverse route should be fired and barred from the profession forever.

- not a single worthy character, except maybe Vae Victis and Andreja. The latter being the blandest example of a dark past character i've ever seen.

- nauseated by the amount of wokeness

- shallow and derivative setting

- no actual exploration. It's all like a series of small rooms connected by loading screens. No Man's Sky has not only seamless transition from space to planet, but also - almost literally - infinitely more variety. Oh and multiplayer.

- near absence of any space mission that isn't just "go there and kill 3-4 ships"

- disappointed by every single weapon being hitscan

- lame crafting

- pointless outpost building

- repetitive enemies, creatures and planets.


It staggers the mind that some people actually defend it. It's like advocating for coprophagy.

Thank you for expanding my lexicon!

[©.VorteX]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Thank you for expanding my lexicon!

you are very welcome

[GrimDogGaming]

Now I can tell people they're exhibiting signs of coprophagy and Steams filter won't stop me. Muahuahuahua

[Drake Ravenwolf]

Originally posted by Zorvan:

Now I can tell people they're exhibiting signs of coprophagy and Steams filter won't stop me. Muahuahuahua

Ah rabbits, the cutest little ♥♥♥♥ eaters...

[©.VorteX]

Originally posted by Zorvan:

Now I can tell people they're exhibiting signs of coprophagy and Steams filter won't stop me. Muahuahuahua

words set you free

[Dr. Sinister]

Where did it go wrong for you?

Todd Howard

[Sprocket66]

Originally posted by Zorvan:

Now I can tell people they're exhibiting signs of coprophagy and Steams filter won't stop me. Muahuahuahua

Kudos Hoss, it's been decades since I've had to look up a word. Now I just have to wait for the right time to deploy that verbal torpedo on some idjit.

[Omnius10]

It started good , the game runs fine , no crashes, i started to explore Planets , points of interest, did a lot of sidequests , building my first bases. did quests with companions, build my first own ship ....... but then something changed, after exploring the same POI again and again it starts to bore me, after scanning hundreds of minerals , plants and animals .. it starts to bore me, and then i thought .. yea , i didn't really care for my companions , they getting more and more annoying. Don't get me wrong , i still have fun with the game but it's not the experience i hoped for , when a game really captivate you.