New Vegas 18 months vs Starfield's 8 years of development

[Wade]

It only took Obsidian 18 months to make the best RPG in history. Meanwhile it took Bethesda 8 years for this sad slop. Not to mention how Bethesda turned down all offers from Obsidian to make new Fallout and Elders Scrolls games. It think it's so sad.

[Darth Revan]

opsidian worked with a already developed engine and alrady developed systems/mechanics for the most part.

for starfield bethesda had to work on the engine and develop new systems like the space ship combat which according to certain youtube videos they struggled with for a long time.

[lizzo MassReportedvictim]

a bad game is one thing, but defending a bad game is down right embarrassing. 88% down to 65%....whats the old sang guys? defend a bad game it turns into a bad game. i hate being right all the time. maybe if people would of listened to me months ago this game wouldn't have gone through all those refunds. oh well whats dead is dead.

[Wade]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

opsidian worked with a already developed engine and alrady developed systems/mechanics for the most part.

Yes, and Bethesda made Starfield in the same old in-house Creation engine, with mechanics "borrowed" or copy/pasted from many other games, and they still made probably the worst AAA game of 2023.

[FrazzleSnazzle]

Came to the forums to find reasons to pick Starfield back up. Still haven't completed half the game. But you're right I should reinstall New Vegas instead.

[Shout Out To Ground Pound]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

opsidian worked with a already developed engine and alrady developed systems/mechanics for the most part.

for starfield bethesda had to work on the engine and develop new systems like the space ship combat which according to certain youtube videos they struggled with for a long time.

Somehow FNV was better then FO3 less bugs and more things to do, can not find anything where you can use ironsight in FO3 or Craft items or the AI that was improved.

I think Obisdian had to Fix more then they will if they create the things from scratch.

18 months on a game like FNV is aweosme compare to a game that lacks in everything and was made for 8 years.
Is it the Customers fault that the engine is bad or outdated ? this is just a excuse because Obsidian show how much better games they can create with the same engine and the same assets.

So what was Bethesda Game Studio good in ? Making hand crafted worlds and dungeons.
In Starfield they get rid of that, the only one thing they made really good compare to all the other Game Studios out there.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Doc Mitchell:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

opsidian worked with a already developed engine and alrady developed systems/mechanics for the most part.

Yes, and Bethesda made Starfield in the same old in-house Creation engine, with mechanics "borrowed" or copy/pasted from many other games, and they still made probably the worst AAA game of 2023.

they made upgrades to the engine which obsidian did not for new vegas, also bethesda developed new systems like ship building and space combat which obsidian also did not.

engine upgrades and new systrems/mechanics take time to develop.

[Cyberblonde]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

opsidian worked with a already developed engine and alrady developed systems/mechanics for the most part.

for starfield bethesda had to work on the engine and develop new systems like the space ship combat which according to certain youtube videos they struggled with for a long time.

you mean the space combat that is less complex than a 5$ indie space game? the "arguments" of you fanboys is staggering.

[Don_Salvatore]

New Vegas was not the best RPG of all time... Jesus... It's not even in the top 10.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Cyberblonde:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

opsidian worked with a already developed engine and alrady developed systems/mechanics for the most part.

for starfield bethesda had to work on the engine and develop new systems like the space ship combat which according to certain youtube videos they struggled with for a long time.

you mean the space combat that is less complex than a 5$ indie space game? the "arguments" of you fanboys is staggering.

the exaggerations of you haters are staggering

[Don_Salvatore]

Just to follow up before the pile on from Fallout fans.

IMDB New Vegas is 33

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls089008410/

IGN New Vegas is 28

https://www.ign.com/lists/top-100-rpgs

Gamedesigning number 14

https://www.gamedesigning.org/gaming/rpg-games/

Game Informer 36

https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2018/01/01/the-top-100-rpgs-of-all-time.aspx

A few sites have New Vegas in the latter end of top 10 but most sites do not rate it in the top 10 of all time RPG's and neither should anyone.

[Shout Out To Ground Pound]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

Originally posted by Doc Mitchell:

Yes, and Bethesda made Starfield in the same old in-house Creation engine, with mechanics "borrowed" or copy/pasted from many other games, and they still made probably the worst AAA game of 2023.

they made upgrades to the engine which obsidian did not for new vegas, also bethesda developed new systems like ship building and space combat which obsidian also did not.

engine upgrades and new systrems/mechanics take time to develop.

And again, i think you dont understand a Engine how it is working.

Bethesda did basicly NO upgrades to the Engine, but if you think Flipping assets is Upgrading then i am sorry for you.
If Starfield will have RayTracing or do not face the same memory Issues that Bethesda Plage since Oblivion then i am sorry to tell you that they made no Upgrades more then Fixes to the engine.

You know what a upgrade is for a engine ? Unreal 3 to 4 to 5, this are upgrades.
Upgrades mean if you rework the Software tool that let you use new stuff and not just Swaping textures or Throw new Lightnings in.

Bethesda is just not able to make good games that is all, You know how thye react to "The game load so much data in this is why there are loading screens" so there are mods that skip the ship animations and you know what ? You are very fast in the space but no wounder it is just a new small Skybox you are teleported to.

The Game is bad and it has to do nothing with the engine itself because If someone want to do something he can do it even with a old Engine (Quake 3 or 4 with PathTracing a long time ago).

Starfield is not finished, they had to polish the game for a lil bit more and add little things in to the game like HandCrafted caves or Anything instead of releasing a game that is worse then NoManSky at the release with more money and more people and more development time then NMS had.

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Doc Mitchell:

It only took Obsidian 18 months to make the best RPG in history. Meanwhile it took Bethesda 8 years for this sad slop. Not to mention how Bethesda turned down all offers from Obsidian to make new Fallout and Elders Scrolls games. It think it's so sad.

New Vegas an RPG?
Anyway.. It was basically just FO3 with a new skin and more soul.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by shout out to ground pound:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

they made upgrades to the engine which obsidian did not for new vegas, also bethesda developed new systems like ship building and space combat which obsidian also did not.

engine upgrades and new systrems/mechanics take time to develop.

And again, i think you dont understand a Engine how it is working.

Bethesda did basicly NO upgrades to the Engine, but if you think Flipping assets is Upgrading then i am sorry for you.
If Starfield will have RayTracing or do not face the same memory Issues that Bethesda Plage since Oblivion then i am sorry to tell you that they made no Upgrades more then Fixes to the engine.

You know what a upgrade is for a engine ? Unreal 3 to 4 to 5, this are upgrades.
Upgrades mean if you rework the Software tool that let you use new stuff and not just Swaping textures or Throw new Lightnings in.

Bethesda is just not able to make good games that is all, You know how thye react to "The game load so much data in this is why there are loading screens" so there are mods that skip the ship animations and you know what ? You are very fast in the space but no wounder it is just a new small Skybox you are teleported to.

The Game is bad and it has to do nothing with the engine itself because If someone want to do something he can do it even with a old Engine (Quake 3 or 4 with PathTracing a long time ago).

Starfield is not finished, they had to polish the game for a lil bit more and add little things in to the game like HandCrafted caves or Anything instead of releasing a game that is worse then NoManSky at the release with more money and more people and more development time then NMS had.

seems more like you dont know enough about creation engine 2, bethesda did do engine upgrades

[vonbleak]

Originally posted by Don_Salvatore:

New Vegas was not the best RPG of all time... Jesus... It's not even in the top 10.

And yet its still a better RPG than Starfield...

[Don_Salvatore]

Originally posted by vonbleak:

And yet its still a better RPG than Starfield...

That is certainly true.