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Gonzo850 Dec 15, 2023 @ 3:32am
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What Emil talked about is right.
It's called Dunning Kruger effect and a lot of armchair developers in this forum are experiencing it.
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Originally posted by ZombieHunter:
He never said gamers should not criticize. But he is saying there is a constructive way to do it. I can complain about things I do not like about my car, but I am not qualified to tell them how to go about fixing it or what the design of the car should be.

In other words you can complain but you are not qualified to tell them how to do their job and that is 100% correct. You can judge the product for sure but you cannot judge the process that created it if you are not qualified to do so.

What I see on game forums is one person will take some random advice from some random gamer website and then run with it to the ends of the Earth and blame all future problems on this one thing. This shows a complete lack of understanding of software, computers and development in general. But then others come in and dogpile on it and by the end of the thread it is fact, when it is not. If other developers, who know better, offer any advice or advise everyone to be cautious about making assumptions they are jumped on immediately. This kind of attitude is toxic and not productive. Those who know get blasted so that those who have conspiracy theories get a voice. That is insane. And it happens all the time.

Criticism is definitely a lost art. But, for sure, if you resort to ad hominem of developers, studios, their motivations, and/or assume you know more than you could possibly know. and/or say things you would never say to their faces you are doing it wrong and are part of the problem.

As well I see people calling people trolls that are not, calling people fanboys that are not. There are people who have genuine criticisms of the game and offer them and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. There are people who enjoy the game and likewise there is nothing wrong with that. If all of us liked the same exact things what an awful boring mundane world that would be.

I can tell a musician that I don't like the way their song sounds. I cannot tell them how to fix it or what a better way to play is. I don't play any instrument, but I love music. I can offer my critique, but I cannot act as if I know how to do it better. Rather, I offer my opinion and they consider it and come back with something I might like more. I don't tell them how to make the music, or assume their motivation was to screw me out of money for bad music, or insult their family or their name or any of the above. I let them use their expertise, that I do not have, to make better music in the future.

It is just common sense. Common decency. Common respect. If you wouldn't say it in their studio, in front of them, in their offices or to their faces then don't say it here.
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Ǥɾᴧᴤʆᴧᵯᴧ Dec 15, 2023 @ 3:35am 
You wouldn't believe how often I think that. These trolls think they are the pinnacle of humanity. But they're already so arrogant that they don't even realize how stupid they actually are.
But I was laughing my ass off at these guys yesterday. It was fun, but actually people like that aren't funny and are rather dangerous.
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KimmyG Dec 15, 2023 @ 3:36am 
This required a whole new post? Ain't no way bruh
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Humpenstilzchen Dec 15, 2023 @ 3:36am 
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No he is not right. People pay money and expect a good, fun and polished game. That´s the deal. That´s what the devs are paid for and they can´t blame their customers for not understanding how hard it is to make games. It´s their responsibility, their problem.

And in general the customer is always the king you know. You don´t ridicule and gaslight your customers for not appreciating what you have created. You have to be humble, thank them for their feedback and try to improve.
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Boby Happy Dec 15, 2023 @ 3:37am 
Originally posted by Ǥɾᴧᴤʆᴧᵯᴧ:
You wouldn't believe how often I think that. These trolls think they are the pinnacle of humanity. But they're already so arrogant that they don't even realize how stupid they actually are.
oh yeah you are a paragon of humility and intelligence ?
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Gonzo850 Dec 15, 2023 @ 3:59am 
Originally posted by Ǥɾᴧᴤʆᴧᵯᴧ:
You wouldn't believe how often I think that. These trolls think they are the pinnacle of humanity. But they're already so arrogant that they don't even realize how stupid they actually are.
But I was laughing my ass off at these guys yesterday. It was fun, but actually people like that aren't funny and are rather dangerous.

I don't think they are dangerous. I just think it's silly. Especially when there is no intent on educating themselves any further about the subject. But good feedback can always be taken out of it. Just gotta sift through the assumptions and drama to get to the good feedback.
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Yuriqa Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:02am 
Who is Emil? Another useless youtuber?
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Ǥɾᴧᴤʆᴧᵯᴧ Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:04am 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Pagliarulo
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DawkinsForest5 Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:05am 
It's called "an absolute incompetent" effect
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DigiAngel Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:08am 
"programming games is hard so expect it to be crappy and enjoy what you get". Ya nope...hard pass on that logic.
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bunny de fluff Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:08am 
You must never complaint about a movie, because you didn't know shat about movie making.

You must never complaint about the restaurant food, because you didn't know shat about fine cooking.

You must never complaint about a game.
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SpeedFreak1972 Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:09am 
We may be armchair developers, but they forget 1 important thing without us they won't sell anything, without us he's out of a job. we are their customer base simple as that.
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bunny de fluff Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:10am 
You must never complaint about anything of your country leaders, again you didn't know crap about running a country.
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NTense Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:13am 
He’s saying we don’t know how development works so we shouldn’t complain about a bad game. It’s not consumers job to know anything about what happens in development, bad game deserves to get :shit: on, own up to your incompetence instead of digging the hole deeper.
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nomad Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:15am 
He had just presented a pile of lame excuses and tried to change narrative and blame players for their own shortcomings. It has been addressed very well by Asmongold. And btw -> an instant classic/masterpiece and $70 price tag ? You can't take seriously anything what a such scam company says anyway.
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Gonzo850 Dec 15, 2023 @ 4:19am 
Originally posted by Yuriqa:
Who is Emil? Another useless youtuber?

Dev went on a rant where even though he acknowledges that consumers have a right to complain, talks about "how disconnected some players are" from the realities of game development, and encourages passionate fans to avoid making assumptions about how and why design decisions are made.

I think some people just don't know how to critique anymore. Everything is either goty or trash. They dont really know what they want and regurgitate what YouTubers say without understanding it.
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