persuasion?

[Colmaniac]

How does persuasion work in this game? Other games that have similar type are easy to do, but this game there doesnt seem to be any logic behind it. 100% of the time my speech fails, though reloading a save game, where my first attempt reply succeeded, on a reload the same first reply fails, yet on some reloads with someone with more than 4 bars to fill, some at 7, just getting a +1 reply fills the entire bar and get persuasion success on 7 bars.

[Silverlight]

Having the skill really helps.

But at least as far as I can tell certain responses tend to work on a person more depending on the scenario.
It's a like a puzzle

[Colmaniac]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Having the skill really helps.

But at least as far as I can tell certain responses tend to work on a person more depending on the scenario.
It's a like a puzzle

Thats what I thought but doesnt seem the case, I.E say for arguments sake a reply is "I wont let you get a way with this" with a red marker and +5 to progress bar. 1st attempt fails. Reload the game and say the same reply and the attempt gets a success.

[Skumboni]

It also depends on where you fit on the angel to scumbag scale compared to where they fit on that scale. That was something that seemed to apply but no hard evidence.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Well as the perks tell you even if you have all the perks persuasion can fail at random ... I mean at level 4 you have 50% to succeed so it's half the time it fails. Also the difficulty doesn't say much I had once that the simple persuasion failed, but the difficult one succeeded.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Colmaniac:

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Having the skill really helps.

But at least as far as I can tell certain responses tend to work on a person more depending on the scenario.
It's a like a puzzle

Thats what I thought but doesnt seem the case, I.E say for arguments sake a reply is "I wont let you get a way with this" with a red marker and +5 to progress bar. 1st attempt fails. Reload the game and say the same reply and the attempt gets a success.

There always a fail/success factor because the skill has to improve the chance

I think there are probably multiple factors that get checked.
There's probably a base chance of success (increased with perk)
Then there is probably a second layer of success based on context.

Green, red and orange are also SUPPOSED to factor into success vs fail. Green being high chance, red being low

There also seems to be critical success chance that adds extra bars.

I'm sure someone out there is doing hard research on this- maybe someone on the Reddit or Discord.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Yea there's a random factor present I had it once that the first time succeeded in another play with the same perks and options i chose failed hard

[Colmaniac]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Originally posted by Colmaniac:

Thats what I thought but doesnt seem the case, I.E say for arguments sake a reply is "I wont let you get a way with this" with a red marker and +5 to progress bar. 1st attempt fails. Reload the game and say the same reply and the attempt gets a success.

There always a fail/success factor because the skill has to improve the chance

I think there are probably multiple factors that get checked.
There's probably a base chance of success (increased with perk)
Then there is probably a second layer of success based on context.

Green, red and orange are also SUPPOSED to factor into success vs fail. Green being high chance, red being low

There also seems to be critical success chance that adds extra bars.

I'm sure someone out there is doing hard research on this- maybe someone on the Reddit or Discord.

This is what I thought, though I only have level 1 with perk for this, so you would have thought going green would be the ideal route, and the situation would have the best option for success, but many try`s though different people atm doesn't seem logical the way its playing out. though yea someone needs to do some hard research on this.

[Green Goomba]

It's all percent based. You have a percent chance of succeeding. You need to succeed with multiple dialogue options to fill the persuasion meter and win the dialogue.

+1 (Green) replies have the highest chance of succeeding, but give the smallest amount of persuasion. Yellow gives a moderate amount with a moderate chance of success. Red gives the highest amount of persuasion with a low chance of succeeding.

Edit: I also want to point out that as long as you have 1 try left, succeeding with one of your dialogue choices refunds the 1 try. So if you have 1 try left and need 3 more persuasion points to win, you could theoretically just go Green 3 times.

[xPEDx]

I go ALL-IN picking the hardest to get right, You be surprised at how quick you can get it over with and get it right.

[Winged Archon]

Originally posted by Colmaniac:

How does persuasion work in this game? Other games that have similar type are easy to do, but this game there doesnt seem to be any logic behind it. 100% of the time my speech fails, though reloading a save game, where my first attempt reply succeeded, on a reload the same first reply fails, yet on some reloads with someone with more than 4 bars to fill, some at 7, just getting a +1 reply fills the entire bar and get persuasion success on 7 bars.

Like other have already said (or tried to)
It's a chance game, meaning that even if you'd do only +1 green checks, there is STILL always a chance you fail, thats because your chances are rarely if ever 100%
Maybe you can stack perks, drinks, gear etc etc to increase the chances to 100% as a min-max strategy (I've never tried nor bothered), but when discounting that, you're always betting on odds to succeed a check and each level of a check has its own chance percentile.
Note: I do not know if the color of a check takes into account if you've got chance-increasing effects running at that moment, or that the color coding is more absolute and based off of the amount of persuasion increase the check provides ie: +1, +3, +5 etcetc.