[Problem solved]Poor Performance even with a 13700K and a 3090 on Low!

[OCmylife]

It does take time, that I write a comment, but for me Starfield is a disaster from a technical standpoint, so much that I don`t want to play it anymore.
I took my time to experiment with the settings, watched optimization guides, even tried to set everything on low to get a stable 60 fps experience, lowered the internal resolution from 4K to even 50%, tried CAS, FSR, DLSS in different percentages, but at the latest if I went back to the menu to wear a different helmet and went back into the game the performance is awful! 40, 45, if I`m lucky I get 55 fps, even with Ultra Performance DLSS on low! The only thing that changes is the Workload of my compenents. If I lower the settings my 3090 draws only 150 to 200 Watts in 4K and my 13700K doesn`t go in the highest Performance State anymore.

Please Bethesda, get your sh** together and patch the game! We have paid for the game! I don`t want to wait another year for 3 fixes.

Fix: Just create a new Savestate, every time you modify the ingame-settings. Et voila, the workload of your GPU is going up, just like it should be.

[CrEaToXx]

I don't think, if there's a few exceptional players that should run the game perfectly with their hardware, that Bethesda is to blame and "get their ♥♥♥♥ together". I would rather question if you know what you are doing, and if there's a particular reason you'd hide your profile?

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by CrEaToXx:

I don't think, if there's a few exceptional players that should run the game perfectly with their hardware, that Bethesda is to blame and "get their ♥♥♥♥ together". I would rather question if you know what you are doing, and if there's a particular reason you'd hide your profile?

While this is almost certainly an issue with the OP's setup, what does having a private profile have to do with anything?

[cgillmore85]

Is the game installed on an SSD? Something is definitely not right for you to be experiencing performance that low with that hardware.

[OCmylife]

13700K watercooled with a Heatkiller IV Pro, 32 GB 4600 CL18 Corsair Vengance DDR4, WD Black NVME 1TB(yes it is installed on that disk), and a watercooled MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio with an Alphacool Block. I built my systems for more than 15 years, but yes I`m pretty sure that my private Profile is the issue here.
The Temps of my components are fine too(55 Max on my GPU and 80 on my CPU)

[deltafrag]

Originally posted by CrEaToXx:

I don't think, if there's a few exceptional players that should run the game perfectly with their hardware, that Bethesda is to blame and "get their ♥♥♥♥ together". I would rather question if you know what you are doing, and if there's a particular reason you'd hide your profile?

The OP is right. In my 40 years of gaming experience I've never seen a game perform this badly before. I've only just started playing Starfield because I figured that after 2 months they'd patch the bugs, but from the first few minutes I started playing, the game kept freezing up every 30 seconds for 5 seconds or more. There's frequent crashes, and NPC's walking around with partial bodies. If my hardware wasn't up to scratch then the game would perform badly for every second I play it, but that's not what's happens. It runs silky smooth, with great graphics and then for no apparent reason it freezes, or crashes. My player can be standing in a corridor looking at a vase and nothing else, and then freezes for 30 seconds. I've been able to make the game playable by running a program that limits the amount of CPU cycles Starfield utilises, as per a fix described in another thread. Which means this is clearly an Bethesda engine issue. As the OP also stated, we paid good money for this game and we shouldn't have to suffer this much frustration from it.
Earlier this year I played Cyberpunk 2077, and Hogwarts legacy which ran like a dream for me. No problems worth mentioning. So Starfield has been a real disappointment in terms of how its running.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by deltafrag:

Originally posted by CrEaToXx:

I don't think, if there's a few exceptional players that should run the game perfectly with their hardware, that Bethesda is to blame and "get their ♥♥♥♥ together". I would rather question if you know what you are doing, and if there's a particular reason you'd hide your profile?

The OP is right. In my 40 years of gaming experience I've never seen a game perform this badly before. I've only just started playing Starfield because I figured that after 2 months they'd patch the bugs, but from the first few minutes I started playing, the game kept freezing up every 30 seconds for 5 seconds or more. There's frequent crashes, and NPC's walking around with partial bodies. If my hardware wasn't up to scratch then the game would perform badly for every second I play it, but that's not what's happens. It runs silky smooth, with great graphics and then for no apparent reason it freezes, or crashes. My player can be standing in a corridor looking at a vase and nothing else, and then freezes for 30 seconds. I've been able to make the game playable by running a program that limits the amount of CPU cycles Starfield utilises, as per a fix described in another thread. Which means this is clearly an Bethesda engine issue. As the OP also stated, we paid good money for this game and we shouldn't have to suffer this much frustration from it.
Earlier this year I played Cyberpunk 2077, and Hogwarts legacy which ran like a dream for me. No problems worth mentioning. So Starfield has been a real disappointment in terms of how its running.

And yet it runs perfectly fine for me and plenty of others. Certainly a smoother experience than Hogwarts Legacy for a lot of people. Just because there's an issue on your PC doesn't mean there's an issue with the game itself.

[deltafrag]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by deltafrag:

The OP is right. In my 40 years of gaming experience I've never seen a game perform this badly before. I've only just started playing Starfield because I figured that after 2 months they'd patch the bugs, but from the first few minutes I started playing, the game kept freezing up every 30 seconds for 5 seconds or more. There's frequent crashes, and NPC's walking around with partial bodies. If my hardware wasn't up to scratch then the game would perform badly for every second I play it, but that's not what's happens. It runs silky smooth, with great graphics and then for no apparent reason it freezes, or crashes. My player can be standing in a corridor looking at a vase and nothing else, and then freezes for 30 seconds. I've been able to make the game playable by running a program that limits the amount of CPU cycles Starfield utilises, as per a fix described in another thread. Which means this is clearly an Bethesda engine issue. As the OP also stated, we paid good money for this game and we shouldn't have to suffer this much frustration from it.
Earlier this year I played Cyberpunk 2077, and Hogwarts legacy which ran like a dream for me. No problems worth mentioning. So Starfield has been a real disappointment in terms of how its running.

And yet it runs perfectly fine for me and plenty of others. Certainly a smoother experience than Hogwarts Legacy for a lot of people. Just because there's an issue on your PC doesn't mean there's an issue with the game itself.

IF there's an issue with my PC its means there's an issue with the game, because its supposed to run smoothly on every machine that meets the specs. Mine does. Just because it runs ok on your machine doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that for many, many others it runs like a dog.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by deltafrag:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

And yet it runs perfectly fine for me and plenty of others. Certainly a smoother experience than Hogwarts Legacy for a lot of people. Just because there's an issue on your PC doesn't mean there's an issue with the game itself.

IF there's an issue with my PC its means there's an issue with the game, because its supposed to run smoothly on every machine that meets the specs. Mine does. Just because it runs ok on your machine doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that for many, many others it runs like a dog.

That's not how that works. They cannot, and absolutely don't, guarantee that it will run "smoothly" on every PC that meets the hardware requirements. They're not responsible for you keeping things updated, or using settings in-game that your PC can handle, or any other potential things you do that can screw up your PC.

And of course you'll reply with "I've been building my own PCs for x number of years" or whatever so you think your PC simply can't be the issue and just want to blame the developers.

[OCmylife]

Originally posted by deltafrag:

Originally posted by CrEaToXx:

I don't think, if there's a few exceptional players that should run the game perfectly with their hardware, that Bethesda is to blame and "get their ♥♥♥♥ together". I would rather question if you know what you are doing, and if there's a particular reason you'd hide your profile?

The OP is right. In my 40 years of gaming experience I've never seen a game perform this badly before. I've only just started playing Starfield because I figured that after 2 months they'd patch the bugs, but from the first few minutes I started playing, the game kept freezing up every 30 seconds for 5 seconds or more. There's frequent crashes, and NPC's walking around with partial bodies. If my hardware wasn't up to scratch then the game would perform badly for every second I play it, but that's not what's happens. It runs silky smooth, with great graphics and then for no apparent reason it freezes, or crashes. My player can be standing in a corridor looking at a vase and nothing else, and then freezes for 30 seconds. I've been able to make the game playable by running a program that limits the amount of CPU cycles Starfield utilises, as per a fix described in another thread. Which means this is clearly an Bethesda engine issue. As the OP also stated, we paid good money for this game and we shouldn't have to suffer this much frustration from it.
Earlier this year I played Cyberpunk 2077, and Hogwarts legacy which ran like a dream for me. No problems worth mentioning. So Starfield has been a real disappointment in terms of how its running.

Thank you Deltafrag! :-) I`ve played Cyberpunk and Hogwarts Legacy as well and even if the latter one had it`s issues with frametimes you could optimize the performance with the settings(additionally the issue with Hogwarts was fixed in a short amount of time). On Starfield on the other hand it doesn`t matter with my hardware, if I run it on Ultra with 100% resolution or with DLSS Ultra Performance on low details, you couldn`t get a stable 60 fps experience. The only thing that differs is the workload of your components. And if you are that lucky, that you get 60 fps just switch to the menu and back and tadaaa you`re back to 40, 45, or 55 fps regardless of the settings.
And yes, I also searched on google to find a solution. One was to deactivate Vsync and limit the fps with NVCC, which helped for a short amount of time, so Vsync is broken as well. The other one was to disable Fullscreen Optimizations, but if I read further this wasn`t a fix to the problem as well.

[deltafrag]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by deltafrag:

IF there's an issue with my PC its means there's an issue with the game, because its supposed to run smoothly on every machine that meets the specs. Mine does. Just because it runs ok on your machine doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that for many, many others it runs like a dog.

That's not how that works. They cannot, and absolutely don't, guarantee that it will run "smoothly" on every PC that meets the hardware requirements. They're not responsible for you keeping things updated, or using settings that your PC can handle, or any other potential things you do that can screw up your PC.

I'm pretty sure that is how it works. If you have a Machine that meets the specs it had better work properly or you're in breach of consumer affair laws. Its like buying a drill and then find it keeps freezing up, and the manufacturers says "oh, must be the wood you're trying to drill, so its not my fault. It works fine with other people so, not my problem" No man, this is a product like any other. They have to make sure there are no issues when people with different setups, different cards, etc run the game. Bethesda didn't do their quality assurance, or they knew it was a mess and went ahead anyway.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by OCmylife:

13700K watercooled with a Heatkiller IV Pro, 32 GB 4600 CL18 Corsair Vengance DDR4, WD Black NVME 1TB(yes it is installed on that disk), and a watercooled MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio with an Alphacool Block. I built my systems for more than 15 years, but yes I`m pretty sure that my private Profile is the issue here.
The Temps of my components are fine too(55 Max on my GPU and 80 on my CPU)

What GPU driver version? What version of Windows? Can you show screenshots with an OSD on? Maybe even a short video showing what you're experiencing?

[OCmylife]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by deltafrag:

IF there's an issue with my PC its means there's an issue with the game, because its supposed to run smoothly on every machine that meets the specs. Mine does. Just because it runs ok on your machine doesn't mean you can ignore the fact that for many, many others it runs like a dog.

That's not how that works. They cannot, and absolutely don't, guarantee that it will run "smoothly" on every PC that meets the hardware requirements. They're not responsible for you keeping things updated, or using settings in-game that your PC can handle, or any other potential things you do that can screw up your PC.

And of course you'll reply with "I've been building my own PCs for x number of years" or whatever so you think your PC simply can't be the issue and just want to blame the developers.

Patrick please, if you have paid that amount of money for your pc and couldn`t get it to run flawlessly, you would argue the same way if all other games run fine. You could see how well optimized the game was after the DLSS patch changed the performance on NV hardware drastically in the CPU limit(just not good enough). But Todd said that it was well optimized from the beginning.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by OCmylife:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

That's not how that works. They cannot, and absolutely don't, guarantee that it will run "smoothly" on every PC that meets the hardware requirements. They're not responsible for you keeping things updated, or using settings in-game that your PC can handle, or any other potential things you do that can screw up your PC.

And of course you'll reply with "I've been building my own PCs for x number of years" or whatever so you think your PC simply can't be the issue and just want to blame the developers.

Patrick please, if you have paid that amount of money for your pc and couldn`t get it to run flawlessly, you would argue the same way if all other games run fine. You could see how well optimized the game was after the DLSS patch changed the performance on NV hardware drastically in the CPU limit(just not good enough). But Todd said that it was well optimized from the beginning.

If you actually care then don't post useless stuff like "well Todd said" while ignoring the posts asking for more information to try and help

[OCmylife]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by OCmylife:

13700K watercooled with a Heatkiller IV Pro, 32 GB 4600 CL18 Corsair Vengance DDR4, WD Black NVME 1TB(yes it is installed on that disk), and a watercooled MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio with an Alphacool Block. I built my systems for more than 15 years, but yes I`m pretty sure that my private Profile is the issue here.
The Temps of my components are fine too(55 Max on my GPU and 80 on my CPU)

What GPU driver version? What version of Windows? Can you show screenshots with an OSD on? Maybe even a short video showing what you're experiencing?

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by OCmylife:

13700K watercooled with a Heatkiller IV Pro, 32 GB 4600 CL18 Corsair Vengance DDR4, WD Black NVME 1TB(yes it is installed on that disk), and a watercooled MSI 3090 Gaming X Trio with an Alphacool Block. I built my systems for more than 15 years, but yes I`m pretty sure that my private Profile is the issue here.
The Temps of my components are fine too(55 Max on my GPU and 80 on my CPU)

What GPU driver version? What version of Windows? Can you show screenshots with an OSD on? Maybe even a short video showing what you're experiencing?

546.17 at the time of writing, but it doesn`t matter, as the old driver versions doesn`t perform any better and this is the newest one. Windows 11, and yes of course I can make screenshots with Afterburner and even videos with the issues I describe here, but I`m pretty sure, that it doesn`t help me or the other ones with the same issue in any way. It would be helpful if the devs contact me and ask for logs.

[CrEaToXx]

Thank you for debunking yourself, and confirm what I initially just assumed. The moment you used Neonpunk GTA as argument you gave it away.

Next time hide your multiple accounts better.