Are the devs of Skyrim still working at Bethesda or they all leave now?

[kalashnjkov21]

because Skyrim is the only good bethesda game in last decade, i really doubt if new devs could do the same with TES6.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Vanilla Skyrim is largely overrated...
Bugthesda makes mediocre games that are awesome modding sandboxes :P

[kalashnjkov21]

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Vanilla Skyrim is largely overrated...
Bugthesda makes mediocre games that are awesome modding sandboxes :P

dude, Skyrim really have interesting quests and unforgetable npc like cicero.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by kalashnjkov21:

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Vanilla Skyrim is largely overrated...
Bugthesda makes mediocre games that are awesome modding sandboxes :P

dude, Skyrim really have interesting quests and unforgetable npc like cicero.

I got 3k hours in skyrim across different versions and plattforms. I know Skyrim pretty well.
Cicero can be summed up in 5 words, like pretty much any other npc in skyrim (or most other Bugthesda games.
It's by design, it's how BGS lead writer handles things.
Pretty much the same for Skyrims "unforgettable" quests...
Sorry, as I said, I love Skyrim for it's moddability, but vanilla Skyrim is largely overrated games fastfood.

[cypher]

Fallout 76 and Starfield are proof that the old Bethesda that made the classic games we loved is dead and gone.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by cypher:

Fallout 76 and Starfield are proof that the old Bethesda that made the classic games we loved is dead and gone.

wasnt fallout 76 mainly Bethesda Game Studios Austin?

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

Originally posted by cypher:

Fallout 76 and Starfield are proof that the old Bethesda that made the classic games we loved is dead and gone.

wasnt fallout 76 mainly Bethesda Game Studios Austin?

These are the Steam forums, there's no room for nuance here, get out. :P

[Sugarwolf]

I doubt any of the Skyrim devs are still with Bethesda, it's been a long time. I loved Skyrim, I have thousands of hours in it, same with Fallout 4.

Starfield fit's the formula for me, the only thing that feels different is the exploration of the generated worlds, but the curated areas like cities and a few quest related poi's gives me the same Bethesda experience I've been having for what, two decades now?

[Ommamar]

Originally posted by Sugarwolf:

I doubt any of the Skyrim devs are still with Bethesda, it's been a long time. I loved Skyrim, I have thousands of hours in it, same with Fallout 4.

Starfield fit's the formula for me, the only thing that feels different is the exploration of the generated worlds, but the curated areas like cities and a few quest related poi's gives me the same Bethesda experience I've been having for what, two decades now?

Well there is at least one person, Todd Howard, who was involved in Skyrim that is still around. I do feel like a lot of the developers might of been shifted to ESO, I am also sure there is a lot who have moved to other studios. Most people who going into that industry have their own ideas for a game, if you are in the trenches of any game development studio it is unlikely you are developing your own ideas which leads to people leaving to pursue their own ideas.

Skyrim was a decent game I enjoyed, it is so modded for me now it is hard to remember the vanilla experience. I know I finished the main quest at least once using the vanilla client but that is the bare minimum of experiencing a game like that. If you compare it to the past games there is definitely a lot of stream lining of what you can do, there is also some new stuff like building a house or riding a dragon.

I am amused by hearing the same line of discussions with this game as I saw with both Redguard and Battlespire. Those where off shoot games a little different then the main stream games which I think Starfield falls into as well. I have no doubt I will buy Elder Scrolls 6 it is really only a question of when, it might be when the creation kit is released or when the actual game is released.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Ommamar:

Originally posted by Sugarwolf:

I doubt any of the Skyrim devs are still with Bethesda, it's been a long time. I loved Skyrim, I have thousands of hours in it, same with Fallout 4.

Starfield fit's the formula for me, the only thing that feels different is the exploration of the generated worlds, but the curated areas like cities and a few quest related poi's gives me the same Bethesda experience I've been having for what, two decades now?

Well there is at least one person, Todd Howard, who was involved in Skyrim that is still around. I do feel like a lot of the developers might of been shifted to ESO, I am also sure there is a lot who have moved to other studios. Most people who going into that industry have their own ideas for a game, if you are in the trenches of any game development studio it is unlikely you are developing your own ideas which leads to people leaving to pursue their own ideas.

Skyrim was a decent game I enjoyed, it is so modded for me now it is hard to remember the vanilla experience. I know I finished the main quest at least once using the vanilla client but that is the bare minimum of experiencing a game like that. If you compare it to the past games there is definitely a lot of stream lining of what you can do, there is also some new stuff like building a house or riding a dragon.

I am amused by hearing the same line of discussions with this game as I saw with both Redguard and Battlespire. Those where off shoot games a little different then the main stream games which I think Starfield falls into as well. I have no doubt I will buy Elder Scrolls 6 it is really only a question of when, it might be when the creation kit is released or when the actual game is released.

In a game like Starfield or Skyrim the individual devs don't matter as much. It's the Team leads, art directors, the lead writer etc who make the decisions of how the game turns out.
BGS still has the same Lead writer, who I am not a big fan of - Emil Pagliarulo, who has been BGS's lead writer since the Bloodmoon expansion, and who was the Lead writer for Bloodmoon, Oblivion, FO3, Skyrim, FO Shelter, FO4, FO76 and Starfield.
Todd Howard was Executive Producer/Game Director for pretty much every BGS Title since at least Morrowind and seems to already been credited as Game Director for TES6 and FO5
Those 2 people are the most important backbone for BGS making all the important decisions.
While other devs certainly have some amount of input, expecting anything different from BGS while Tod and Emil are still in charge is foolish.
Any new game will still be a todd Howard/Emil Pagliarulo game, with all the marks of their style.
The Streamlining isn't a recent development. It is something that has happened since the very beginning. Morrowind has more complex systems as oblivion. Oblivion was more complex then Skyrim, and Skyrim will be more complex then TES6 will be.
Same is true for the Fallouts
And Starfield fell right into the line.
It's their way of trying to reach as many players as possible. They can't afford to make niche games, so they go the extremely popular action adventure/rpg light route.
Nothing in Starfield has been surprising for anyone following BGS closely.
And that's also why I am stnding by my opinion that Vanilla Skyrim is largely overrated.
It's fast food for the masses. That's what BGS makes. BGS is the McDonalds/Burger King/Coca Cola of RPG studios.
Nobody would rate those companies 10/10, yet everybody goes there every now and then. It's popular, because it's made to appeal to a minimum acceptable quality for as many people as possible.
And that's by design.
If you expect a 5 star dinner you don't go to burger king. If you want an excellent game you don't go to BGS.
However what they are good at is the modability of their engine. And that's what lifts their games above the sea of mediocrity.
Now feel free to hate me for that take, but BGS hasn't made a truly good game since at least morrowind, if I feel charitable.

[Cquarto91 Warband Mod Archiver]

Starfield flopped so no lol cancelled :)

[alanc9]

Originally posted by Cquarto91:

Starfield flopped so no lol cancelled :)

The actual numbers don't agree with you.

[JacEEEBABY]

All those old devs are long gone, the new ES will be on par with SF, dull and uninspiring all around. "it just works"

[Simple Man]

Originally posted by alanc9:

The actual numbers don't agree with you.

I remember when similar yous with different names said the exact same of F76.

Numbers like the "gamepass record of 6% higher than usual" with people paying 10 or 15$ to try the game out? or numbers like steam that show the most miserable ratings of any bethesda title ever produced? i hadn't even realized but recent reviews are lower than 50% acceptance rate, or maybe its numbers like the 12 year old Skyrim already having more players, tragic.

With all the numbers i got a feeling Starfield gets GOTY too, oh wait.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Kodiak.pW:

Originally posted by alanc9:

The actual numbers don't agree with you.

I remember when similar yous with different names said the exact same of F76.

Numbers like the "gamepass record of 6% higher than usual" with people paying 10 or 15$ to try the game out? or numbers like steam that show the most miserable ratings of any bethesda title ever produced? i hadn't even realized but recent reviews are lower than 50% acceptance rate, or maybe its numbers like the 12 year old Skyrim already having more players, tragic.

With all the numbers i got a feeling Starfield gets GOTY too, oh wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIAXG_QcQNU

Originally posted by Todd Howard:

“If you want us to stop releasing it, stop buying it”

[Simple Man]

Except nobody is buying it, but don't let that get in the way of Todds brilliant remarks or that fella over there record setting claims.

I payed a literal 1$ for a PC gamepass thing that lasted i think 2 weeks (and still barely used it, such is Starfields quality), MS Bethesda then takes that and calls it "biggest bethesda launch with over 6 million players"....that payed 1 to 10$ to rent your game, not even buy.

Don't forget their other records like "most sold game".....of September 2023. Its record after record with Starfield.