Who was the first Starborn?

[System105b]

And do you see any flaws in the logic of the main game?

[Lowbei]

it was me.

[Mexicola9302]

I am pretty sure we will know that after a future story DLC or multiple of them. Who the creators of the power rings, Starborn ships and Starborn suits were. And where the artifacts are coming from.

[System105b]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

I am pretty sure we will know that after a future story DLC or multiple of them. Who the creators of the power rings, Starborn ships and Starborn suits were. And where the artifacts are coming from.

So who did the first Starborn talk to? Where was the emissary? If there is infinite multiple worlds would everyone be Starborn by now?

[AbientAle]

It was Barret. Can we go home now?

[chefcook90]

First Starborn probably hasn't been born yet - all signs point to time travel shenanigans, especially since the guy who invented the Grav Drive had to travel back in time hundreds of years in order to tell his alternate past self how to build it.

As for the Unity and the Temples, they're probably things that have always existed - at least in MOST of the multiverse. I.e. as soon as a temple was constructed in one universe, its connection to the Unity would have caused it to have always existed in the rest of the multiverse.

[System105b]

Originally posted by chefcook90:

First Starborn probably hasn't been born yet - all signs point to time travel shenanigans, especially since the guy who invented the Grav Drive had to travel back in time hundreds of years in order to tell his alternate past self how to build it.

As for the Unity and the Temples, they're probably things that have always existed - at least in MOST of the multiverse. I.e. as soon as a temple was constructed in one universe, its connection to the Unity would have caused it to have always existed in the rest of the multiverse.

But everyone would be Starborn by now?
Couldn't you wind back up in a multiverse that started the whole thing and destroy it?
Time travel with multiverse. This is going to get messy really fast.

[chefcook90]

Originally posted by System105b:

Originally posted by chefcook90:

First Starborn probably hasn't been born yet - all signs point to time travel shenanigans, especially since the guy who invented the Grav Drive had to travel back in time hundreds of years in order to tell his alternate past self how to build it.

As for the Unity and the Temples, they're probably things that have always existed - at least in MOST of the multiverse. I.e. as soon as a temple was constructed in one universe, its connection to the Unity would have caused it to have always existed in the rest of the multiverse.

But everyone would be Starborn by now?
Couldn't you wind back up in a multiverse that started the whole thing and destroy it?
Time travel with multiverse. This is going to get messy really fast.

Well, one, the Multiverse is infinite, and two, even if you're a Starborn, if you don't manage to put the Armillary together, you get stranded in that Universe. Also there are Starborn like the Trader and a certain spoiler character who got tired of universe-hopping - the latter of which pretends to be a perfectly ordinary person.

And yes, he does NOT glow blue when you use Sense Star Stuff - so apparently Starborn can hide their presence from other Starborn if they feel like it.

So hypothetically, half the NPCs in the game could be Starborn who got tired of being Starborn, and you wouldn't even know it.

[Krash Megiddo]

A flaw in the starborn logic is why am I the only starborn that remembers being a starborn? Its as if each NG+ is filled with first time NPCs (non-starborn) and I'm the only multiverse traveler, besides the obvious starborn. Ahhh. now my head hurts

[ShootUInTheKnee]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

it was me.

lol

[E.Wolf1850]

Originally posted by chefcook90:

First Starborn probably hasn't been born yet - all signs point to time travel shenanigans, especially since the guy who invented the Grav Drive had to travel back in time hundreds of years in order to tell his alternate past self how to build it.

Think about the one NG+ universe variant where you meet a bunch of different versions of yourself at the Constellation building. The way I see it is that the inventor of the grav drive in our original universe contacted a version of himself from a different universe who had experienced life differently, but there was no control over the time travel aspect. Barrett also has a personal quest leading to him gaining the ability to summon another universe's version of himself for a limited time. If there is any time travel, it seems individual Starborn have little or no control over time itself, instead just the alternate life paths that same individual Starborn may have traveled.

While in the Unity, you can learn that the Hunter is reborn after you killed him. So their age appearance doesn't matter so much as the time period they are from. Since we have little information on the creation of these temples and artifacts, all we can really ask for now is who was the first to collect all of the artifacts in a single universe? The guy who invented the grav drive? A member of Constellation? Keeper Aquilus? Based on our original universe's lore, it seems likely that the Pilgrim was the first person to collect all of the artifacts in our universe, but that doesn't mean they were the first person in all universes to accomplish it.

Any answer would have to be limited to those who lived after the grav drive was created in any universe, which allowed someone to find all of the artifacts.

[Ed209]

Originally posted by System105b:

And do you see any flaws in the logic of the main game?

It's probably a bootstrap paradox

[chefcook90]

Originally posted by E.Wolf1850:

Originally posted by chefcook90:

First Starborn probably hasn't been born yet - all signs point to time travel shenanigans, especially since the guy who invented the Grav Drive had to travel back in time hundreds of years in order to tell his alternate past self how to build it.

Think about the one NG+ universe variant where you meet a bunch of different versions of yourself at the Constellation building. The way I see it is that the inventor of the grav drive in our original universe contacted a version of himself from a different universe who had experienced life differently, but there was no control over the time travel aspect. Barrett also has a personal quest leading to him gaining the ability to summon another universe's version of himself for a limited time. If there is any time travel, it seems individual Starborn have little or no control over time itself, instead just the alternate life paths that same individual Starborn may have traveled.

While in the Unity, you can learn that the Hunter is reborn after you killed him. So their age appearance doesn't matter so much as the time period they are from. Since we have little information on the creation of these temples and artifacts, all we can really ask for now is who was the first to collect all of the artifacts in a single universe? The guy who invented the grav drive? A member of Constellation? Keeper Aquilus? Based on our original universe's lore, it seems likely that the Pilgrim was the first person to collect all of the artifacts in our universe, but that doesn't mean they were the first person in all universes to accomplish it.

Any answer would have to be limited to those who lived after the grav drive was created in any universe, which allowed someone to find all of the artifacts.

I always thought The Pilgrim was just what Aquilus went by before he made the choice to either become The Hunter or Keeper Aquilus :P

[ZombieHunter]

Since the artifacts are not placed by Starborn, the first Starborn would be the one who first found all of the artifacts. They would not have fought the Emissary or Hunter because at that time, they did not exist. In my opinion, the first starborn is likely either the Emissary or the Hunter.

We know for sure in our games that at least 24 people have become Starborn b/c we fight at least 24 other Starborn throughout the game. Actually more, since the last battle has more Starborn to fight. However, I have not checked to see if those are repeats of the ones you fight at the temples.

[Krash Megiddo]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

Since the artifacts are not placed by Starborn, the first Starborn would be the one who first found all of the artifacts. They would not have fought the Emissary or Hunter because at that time, they did not exist. In my opinion, the first starborn is likely either the Emissary or the Hunter.

We know for sure in our games that at least 24 people have become Starborn b/c we fight at least 24 other Starborn throughout the game. Actually more, since the last battle has more Starborn to fight. However, I have not checked to see if those are repeats of the ones you fight at the temples.

Is the point of that resistance to prevent the player from creating a new universe?

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by Krash Megiddo:

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

Since the artifacts are not placed by Starborn, the first Starborn would be the one who first found all of the artifacts. They would not have fought the Emissary or Hunter because at that time, they did not exist. In my opinion, the first starborn is likely either the Emissary or the Hunter.

We know for sure in our games that at least 24 people have become Starborn b/c we fight at least 24 other Starborn throughout the game. Actually more, since the last battle has more Starborn to fight. However, I have not checked to see if those are repeats of the ones you fight at the temples.

Is the point of that resistance to prevent the player from creating a new universe?

I do not understand why they fight you. Perhaps it is to prevent you from leveling up your powers? I cannot find any in-game lore motivation as to why they fight you. They gain nothing, they stop nothing, and it all means nothing since you can just enter the Unity and reset the world. So, no, it does not make sense that they fight you. If the Hunter does not care enough to be 'nice' anymore then why should he care to be anything anymore? What does anything mean when you can just reset the world?