Jupiter & Neptune

[RaWrAgExLOL]

Such a minor thing but I wish we could land on both of these planets just to see what they believed it would've been like but instead they are simply there to complete the look, bit bummed about that. I understand humans may not even be able to enter either of these planets but surely they could have tried something for the game

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by Draken/Eitan:

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

It has a Magnetosphere that is measurable so its most likely composed of some sort of Metal... and because it hasn't ignited into a Sun its most likely plain old Iron.

Exactly this. 😊 The iron core could be under an ocean of liquid hydrogen and various other gasses. I would really love to know on real life. Exactly how it is!

you do know that it needs to be close to absolute zero to liquify hydrogen, ye?
if anything it would be the opposite than liquid hydrogen... i think about super heated plasma.

not as hot as the sun because none of our Gas Giants could start its fusion reaction but close...

anyway... taking the rough knowledge about our own planet and its core into consideration... i imagine Neptunes and Jupiters Core as a hot, glwing Metalball in the rough shape of an Egg... bacause Planetary Rotation and their Orbit around the Sun.

[NovaMew]

Originally posted by RaWrAgExLOL:

Such a minor thing but I wish we could land on both of these planets just to see what they believed it would've been like but instead they are simply there to complete the look, bit bummed about that. I understand humans may not even be able to enter either of these planets but surely they could have tried something for the game

this troll attempt was already done at launch and funnier, be original and have a clever thought.

[Xanikk]

Originally posted by Draken/Eitan:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

you cant land on gas

Gas giants are known to have thick atmospheres but they are not gas through and through - that can not sustain the gravitational field, and would simply dissipate.

On Jupiter, there is a core that is either solid or liquid (unmeasurable beyond sensor scanning - probes do not survive that deep through the atmosphere). Current technology can't get close to the surface to be certain of topography or even exact composition.

No future technology could make it possible. The pressures and heat are too high for anything to maintain structural integrity and we know that for a fact due to physics, chemistry and material science.

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by Xanikk:

Originally posted by Draken/Eitan:

Gas giants are known to have thick atmospheres but they are not gas through and through - that can not sustain the gravitational field, and would simply dissipate.

On Jupiter, there is a core that is either solid or liquid (unmeasurable beyond sensor scanning - probes do not survive that deep through the atmosphere). Current technology can't get close to the surface to be certain of topography or even exact composition.

No future technology could make it possible. The pressures and heat are too high for anything to maintain structural integrity and we know that for a fact due to physics, chemistry and material science.

only thing we know is that we haven't been able come up with anything that could withstand the pressure and temperature yet.

last time i checked we couldn't even predict the future.. so.. who knows? maybe some day a brilliant mind will invent some alloy that can hold up to the task?

[maeharaprojekt]

Since this isn't Martian Successor: Nadesico and there are not any Jovian Lizards flying thicc, 100+ meter tall, super robots, while screaming out their special attacks, or even a sci-fi setting where total control of gravity and very low-loss matter/energy conversion are convenient tools, I am content to not dive my relatively fragile ship into pressures and temperatures that can theoretically force gaseous hydrogen into a compact, metallic state.

[Draken/Eitan]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

Originally posted by Xanikk:

No future technology could make it possible. The pressures and heat are too high for anything to maintain structural integrity and we know that for a fact due to physics, chemistry and material science.

only thing we know is that we haven't been able come up with anything that could withstand the pressure and temperature yet.

last time i checked we couldn't even predict the future.. so.. who knows? maybe some day a brilliant mind will invent some alloy that can hold up to the task?

This is a fairly decent overview of Jupiter's structure. Still much to learn! (And now with an actual link!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKBjxWbe5Ko

Originally posted by maeharaprojekt:

Since this isn't Martian Successor: Nadesico and there are not any Jovian Lizards flying thicc, 100+ meter tall, super robots, while screaming out their special attacks, or even a sci-fi setting where total control of gravity and very low-loss matter/energy conversion are convenient tools, I am content to not dive my relatively fragile ship into pressures and temperatures that can theoretically force gaseous hydrogen into a compact, metallic state.

"I'm sorry, Miss Nanako. Looks like I won't be able to take you to the beach."

[Miro Fox]

Originally posted by Gigawatts:

They're made of gas this makes no sense.

anything dense enough can be landed on, including gas.

[rumax]

blocked

[Cyg]

Irl Jupiter has very interesting moons like Europa, the JWT has discovered many interesting things. Europa has a huge frozen ocean on it that might contain life. Europa is the biggest prospect for life in the the solar system other than earth.
Too bad Starfield is mediocre trash and has no interesting planets to explore.

“ NASA's James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has revealed homemade carbon dioxide on Jupiter's icy moon Europa, raising the possibility that the frigid waterworld could host life.

Europa, which is a little bit smaller than Earth's moon, is covered with a crust of water ice enveloping a saltwater ocean. The presence of liquid water makes Europa an intriguing object of exploration for scientists interested in extraterrestrial life. But until now, no one had shown that the ocean contained the proper molecules, particularly carbon, which is a fundamental building block of life on Earth.

The new detection by JWST is intriguing because the carbon dioxide does not seem to have been carried by a meteorite or asteroid, and it appears in a geologically young region of the moon called Tara Regio, suggesting the gas may have formed within the moon itself.”


I Personally think the solar system is sterile except ofc Earth.

[chefcook90]

Nah, don't you guys know Neptune is a solid block of ice? Futurama said so - Robot Santa even lives there :D

In all seriousness though, I'm pretty sure gas giants do indeed have solid cores, but the pressure down there is so intense that your ship would be crushed instantly (seriously, the pressure is high enough to create SOLID helium)

[maeharaprojekt]

Originally posted by Draken/Eitan:

Originally posted by maeharaprojekt:

Since this isn't Martian Successor: Nadesico and there are not any Jovian Lizards flying thicc, 100+ meter tall, super robots, while screaming out their special attacks, or even a sci-fi setting where total control of gravity and very low-loss matter/energy conversion are convenient tools, I am content to not dive my relatively fragile ship into pressures and temperatures that can theoretically force gaseous hydrogen into a compact, metallic state.

"I'm sorry, Miss Nanako. Looks like I won't be able to take you to the beach."

"Joooe!"

While I am enjoying Starfield greatly, if I put my mind to it, I could quickly match several of the janky aspects of the game to the sillier tropes of sci-fi.

[Oneblock]

Originally posted by RubbaKeys16k:

I think the most worrying thing is this is not the first post like this.

I really worry for humanity’s future.

Everybody is ignorant. The fact that you do not know this is a case in point. Being tolerant of ignorance and educating people is better than being derogatory.

[maeharaprojekt]

Originally posted by chefcook90:

Nah, don't you guys know Neptune is a solid block of ice? Futurama said so - Robot Santa even lives there :D

In all seriousness though, I'm pretty sure gas giants do indeed have solid cores, but the pressure down there is so intense that your ship would be crushed instantly (seriously, the pressure is high enough to create SOLID helium)

Technically, Neptune and Uranus are both ice giants. They do still have outer envelopes of hydrogen gas but the greater proportion of their mass is made up of ices of ammonia, methane, and water.

I still wouldn't wish to "land" on either one, even though the surface gravity of Uranus, for example, is merely around 0.86 to 0.89 g. If your lander isn't sufficiently buoyant, you'd just drop through the surface of what is mostly likely a ginormous ball of slush,

[Topper]

Originally posted by Draken/Eitan:

Originally posted by Legatus Lucanus:

you cant land on gas

Gas giants are known to have thick atmospheres but they are not gas through and through - that can not sustain the gravitational field, and would simply dissipate.

On Jupiter, there is a core that is either solid or liquid (unmeasurable beyond sensor scanning - probes do not survive that deep through the atmosphere). Current technology can't get close to the surface to be certain of topography or even exact composition.

We don't know, but we can assume. There's probably a solid core of metals and minerals. Maybe 4-5 earth mass of it, because ... why should these elements not be there. The core is wrapped up in liquid hydrogen, because atmospheric pressure is so high, that the hydrogen takes a liquid form. So the surface of this ocean you want to land on is boiling hydrogen and the atmosphere at surface level has an unimaginable pressure , about 3 million times higher than that of earth.
Then you have the gravitational pull is over 300 times higher, so more kinetic energy a craft will have to absorb ... in a denser atmosphere.
And for what? To find an ocean of liquid hydrogen?
A "City in the Clouds" like in Star Wars, harvesting hydrogen from an inside-the-atmosphere orbit would probably make more sense.

[Cutlass Jack]

There's gas in uranus.