For many of us this is the end of Bethesda

[Aberdeen Pig Farm Official]

I'm not saying that the company will fail, Starfield will (probably) bring Bethesda some profit. It may even retain a small group of active players in the coming months and years. F76 has 7k active players on Steam, I think Starfield is worse then F76, but it will probably have 10-20k active players on Steam for a few years or so just because it's a new game.

Some people have very low criteria so they play trash all the time, some people find something interesting no matter how bad the game is. And that is their right.

But I know a lot of people, myself included, will never buy another Bethesda game again. And when this frustration with Starfield is vented a little, we won't even come to the forums to complain that Bethesda games are not good. We simply won't care anymore.

This was Bethesda's last chance, and Todd turned out to be a total incompetent clown.
In addition, this man has been lying as soon as he opens his mouth lately, even insulting fans, saying that Starfield is a "next-gen PC game" and that we have to buy new computers for this garbage... Hahahaha.

Ok, Todd. Yes, it's the fans fault that your "7-years-in-making game" is total garbage in every aspect. If I buy a new $10K computer, then tons of loading screens will just magically disappear, 15 years old looking graphics will turn into the beauty, the dialogues will transform from terrible generic boredom into a Grisham thriller, stale wokeness will show itself as a dynamic zombie adventure with bare titties, non-existent space travel will take us directly to Mars like Musk's rockets, and dozens of those horrible gaming mechanics will instantly turn Starfield into a GOTY.

For many of us this is the end of Bethesda which squandered every chance to produce a good game after a long, long time and show some basic respect to the fans.

[juskom95]

Originally posted by Vezner:

The dishonesty in the prerelease advertising was bad enough, . . .

What dishonesty? I'm serious here, post a link, show a screenshot something of their false advertising and lies.

. . . . but the game breaking bugs and inexcusable woke politics being included have been the breaking point for me.

Is this your first Bethesda game? I'm being a little sarcastic here, but I remember FO4, FO3, Skyrim etc. Their open world games have, unfortunately, always been full of bugs on release. Some of that is due to the sheer scope of their worlds, some of that is due to their engine, some of that is probably due to corporate profit structuring.

You claim to be a long time fan and you're surprised at the bugs? Overall, I've encountered less game breaking bugs in Starfield at release than I did at FO4's release or Skyrim's release. Skyrim's release was so bad I uninstalled it and went back about two years later, after several patches and community hotfixes.

[Vezner]

Originally posted by willia451:

Everybody seems to think their opinion matters.

it doesn't.

Why not just say hey. I bought this game and I don't like it. Leave it at that. You don't have to go any further. Nobody cares.

Or...you could practice what you preach. If you don't like his opinion, why not move on and leave it at that? Why post anything at all if you don't like what he has to say? Hmmm?

[juskom95]

Originally posted by jasonkilanski:

I'm wondering if Unreal 5 will be the death nail in the coffin, as smaller or even solo devs will be able to create better games for cheaper, and avoid the current trend with these toxic communities.

Doubtful. Unreal 5 is hard to mod for non-programmers, whereas the CK2 engine you can fire up their kit and be modding in a few minutes.

There are HUGE modding communities out there, people who enjoy doing this for a hobby, but don't want to be professional developers. That is one thing these Bethesda game have had going for them for decades now, they are readily approachable by novice modders. No other game really has it this easy to approach.

[Vezner]

Originally posted by juskom95:

Originally posted by Vezner:

The dishonesty in the prerelease advertising was bad enough, . . .

What dishonesty? I'm serious here, post a link, show a screenshot something of their false advertising and lies.

. . . . but the game breaking bugs and inexcusable woke politics being included have been the breaking point for me.

Is this your first Bethesda game? I'm being a little sarcastic here, but I remember FO4, FO3, Skyrim etc. Their open world games have, unfortunately, always been full of bugs on release. Some of that is due to the sheer scope of their worlds, some of that is due to their engine, some of that is probably due to corporate profit structuring.

You claim to be a long time fan and you're surprised at the bugs? Overall, I've encountered less game breaking bugs in Starfield at release than I did at FO4's release or Skyrim's release. Skyrim's release was so bad I uninstalled it and went back about two years later, after several patches and community hotfixes.

When Todd was first advertising this game, he was clear when he said you could literally explore entire worlds and indicated you could fly, land, etc anywhere you want seamlessly. What he failed to mention was that when you take off/land, you'll just be viewing a cut scene. No, you can't literally land yourself or takeoff yourself. He also failed to mention that rather than actually being able to walk anywhere on the planet, when you land somewhere, you will be in a procedurally generated space with literal borders. Sure, you can take off and land somewhere else and experience another generated space, but you clearly don't have the ability to explore the way he indicated. And the same is true for space flight. You can't fly manually from one planet to another, for example. Hell, you can't even orbit a planet. You simply grav jump in to a generated space and zip around there until you grav out or choose to land somewhere in another generated space. Yeah, not the freedom that he advertised at all.

And yes, I realize that past games had bugs, no doubt. But even in those games, I don't recall seeing bugs on the scale I've experienced with Starfield. I've played through ever game of theirs since Morrowind and have never seen such horrendous bugs on this scale of incompetency. Some quests literally can't be completed at all because of bugs and that's inexcusable. And besides, because it happened in the past, you seem to believe that such failures make it ok to have repeated failures now. Wow...talk about drinking the koolaid.

One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite Star Wars characters, Thrawn, seems to apply to Bethesda well, "Do you know the difference between an error and a mistake? Anyone can make an error. But that error doesn’t become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.”

[Vezner]

Originally posted by STG Dante:

Look at EA over the years and how many times they majorly screwed over gamers and ppl are like i'm boycotting EA, yet they have record breaking sales year after year. Same thing here. There is no punishment when your clientele are spineless, immature, and impatient gamers. Unity is going to be different because those are actual companies who have to lookout for themselves andtheir investors future. Untiy is fked, but anything vs gamers means nothing, because someone else won't care about it. ppl do not give a ♥♥♥♥ and we're dumb in general.

That's not necessarily true. Look at the Battlefield franchise as an example. It's hardly making money hand over fist these days. It's literally lost money in recent releases.

[juskom95]

Originally posted by Vezner:

When Todd was first advertising this game, he was clear when he said you could literally explore entire worlds and indicated you could fly, land, etc anywhere you want seamlessly. What he failed to mention was that when you take off/land, you'll just be viewing a cut scene. No, you can't literally land yourself or takeoff yourself.

He stated that or you assumed that?

Seriously, link to the twitter post, youtube video, article or something.

He also failed to mention that rather than actually being able to walk anywhere on the planet, when you land somewhere, you will be in a procedurally generated space with literal borders. Sure, you can take off and land somewhere else and experience another generated space, but you clearly don't have the ability to explore the way he indicated.

That might just be your personal issue, but how is that not exploring?

And the same is true for space flight. You can't fly manually from one planet to another, for example. Hell, you can't even orbit a planet. You simply grav jump in to a generated space and zip around there until you grav out or choose to land somewhere in another generated space. Yeah, not the freedom that he advertised at all.

So, what game does this better?

I have plenty of hours in Elite Dangerous, and while it does put you in a world space of the planet, you still 'jump,' to each planet in the system.

And yes, I realize that past games had bugs, no doubt. But even in those games, I don't recall seeing bugs on the scale I've experienced with Starfield. I've played through ever game of theirs since Morrowind and have never seen such horrendous bugs on this scale of incompetency. Some quests literally can't be completed at all because of bugs and that's inexcusable. [/QUOTE[You are wearing 'rose colored,' glasses. There were plenty of quest breaking bugs in their past titles. You have simply forgotten because of the long time between releases.

And besides, because it happened in the past, you seem to believe that such failures make it ok to have repeated failures now. Wow...talk about drinking the koolaid.

No, but at the same time, you should know the company/product you're buying. That is like purchasing a Ford Focus and expecting the features of a Rolls Royce.

In video games, look at the X series of games. They are known to be an absolute mess at release; so bad that many people won't even touch it until the first or second major patch is released.

You're probably doing the typical Bethesda RPG thing, where you crap on their latest game, troll a lot, but then will spend many hours playing it, especially once mods come out.

[Aberdeen Pig Farm Official]

Originally posted by jasonkilanski:

I have EA blocked, and I'm adding more and more over time. They don't want my money anyways, until suddenly they want my money.

I spend a few hundred bucks a month on various games and didn't buy EA games in ages. Same with Ubisoft. If see that a game is made by EA or Ubisoft I automatically don't buy it, even if it's on sale at 90% off. Now Bethesda has joined that club.

[-{AU}-Piracy]

You be back when the new Elder Scrolls is released

[Flezh]

I think this will definetaly mark the end of Bethesda´s domination of the Open World genre. This was their last chance to show the world they can compete with the other studios and they blew it. With over promised, lazy and frankly incompetent show of their work. They somehow never learned anything from their past releases and managed to even go beyond that and make a game that is worse than previous, older games. Its so over for Bethesda bros

[juskom95]

Originally posted by -{AU}-Piracy:

You be back when the new Elder Scrolls is released

That is the usual trend and cycle for Bethesda Studio games.

Spewing hatred for their latest entry.
They dump hundreds of hours playing.
Come back for the next release.

[juskom95]

Originally posted by Flezh:

I think this will definetaly mark the end of Bethesda´s domination of the Open World genre. This was their last chance to show the world they can compete with the other studios and they blew it. With over promised, lazy and frankly incompetent show of their work. They somehow never learned anything from their past releases and managed to even go beyond that and make a game that is worse than previous, older games. Its so over for Bethesda bros

That is very possible, but that is assuming they have a real competitor.

Who else has released a game like this, FO4 or Skyrim? Something that is that open world and that modular?

[DOJAM141]

"Some people have very low criteria so they play trash all the time, some people find something interesting no matter how bad the game is. And that is their right."
Well, not all of them are just have low criteria. There are people just play this game cuz it suits to their taste, and they probably don't like some games.
I mean, there are people who prefers CP2077 than GTA5 tho

[Aberdeen Pig Farm Official]

Originally posted by -{AU}-Piracy:

You be back when the new Elder Scrolls is released

Don't care for Elder Scrolls at all. Never really liked Skyrim too much to be frank. It's a good game, but not a genre I enjoy. But I like Fallout franchise very much, which sadly Bethesda destroyed too.

[juskom95]

Originally posted by jasonkilanski:

What's funny is that I added a Trump badge to my profile, just to see what would happen, and suddenly I'm getting posts removed and bans, despite my behavior being consistent. The experiment has been interesting.

HA HA, you should've known what would happen, especially on a moderated forum like Steam.

[RiChuF]

Originally posted by Aberdeen Pig Farm Official:

I'm not saying that the company will fail, Starfield will (probably) bring Bethesda some profit. It may even retain a small group of active players in the coming months and years. F76 has 7k active players on Steam, I think Starfield is worse then F76, but it will probably have 10-20k active players on Steam for a few years or so just because it's a new game.

Some people have very low criteria so they play trash all the time, some people find something interesting no matter how bad the game is. And that is their right.

But I know a lot of people, myself included, will never buy another Bethesda game again. And when this frustration with Starfield is vented a little, we won't even come to the forums to complain that Bethesda games are not good. We simply won't care anymore.

This was Bethesda's last chance, and Todd turned out to be a total incompetent clown.
In addition, this man has been lying as soon as he opens his mouth lately, even insulting fans, saying that Starfield is a "next-gen PC game" and that we have to buy new computers for this garbage... Hahahaha.

Ok, Todd. Yes, it's the fans fault that your "7-years-in-making game" is total garbage in every aspect. If I buy a new $10K computer, then tons of loading screens will just magically disappear, 15 years old looking graphics will turn into the beauty, the dialogues will transform from terrible generic boredom into a Grisham thriller, stale wokeness will show itself as a dynamic zombie adventure with bare titties, non-existent space travel will take us directly to Mars like Musk's rockets, and dozens of those horrible gaming mechanics will instantly turn Starfield into a GOTY.

For many of us this is the end of Bethesda which squandered every chance to produce a good game after a long, long time and show some basic respect to the fans.

but for many of us this aint
itsonly you for and ya mates that hate everything