Thoughts on persuasion and sneaking, kinda useless/hamstring your xp.

[FriesenGamin]

Doing persuasion stuff gives you 10xp and skips over fights and other stuff that could give you extra xp. I feel like persuasion in cyberpunk,GTA and other games is actually better cause it doesnt hamstring your xp gain.

Same kinda goes for stealth. I tried doing a stealth mission on Neon and you dont get any xp for making it through without alerting anyone. Meanwhile if you just kill everyone while going through the quest you get like 1000k xp if you slept and have the xp bonus.

Having an idea how NG+ works kinda makes me feel like you shouldnt level up sneaking or persuasion until after you are later in the game and jump to a NG+ world.

What are your thoughts???

[chefcook90]

OOOOOH HO HO, you won't feel that way in NG+ lol
Persuasion is easily one of the best skills in the game when it comes to speed-running the main story and farming those temple upgrades.

Being able skip the final boss fight with a single dialogue check is a huge bonus.

[justfaded]

How is it different from other games? Skilling up dialogue is so you can skip fights, which give you exp. No fighting = no exp.

[Wingnut Mcmoomoo]

you can literally summon a group of enemies to fight at any point with the mission board so i've never felt cheated out of xp or loot

i do like persuasion when i'm doing missions as its usually spared me from a path i didn't want to do or gave me a more interesting path mid mission.

also with persuasion i like the slight bits of extra info you can get... yeah alot of persuasion rolls are generic ones for some of them but most persuasions options have strings of thought that follow the whole persuasion attempt and often if you use the more unique ones they will give you unique dialog with extra info or story.

only time i've used stealth was when the mission heavily implied it was "the way", its kind of fun in those structured missions but freeform its kind of meh

[KOLA]

I've always just liked the feeling of successfully talking my way through something in games haha

[Gilgamesh]

Sometimes if you don't use persuasion and you have a follower they get angry. At level 100 you wont be worrying about getting exp anyway. Just play it how you want it. If you want exp then play for exp, if you want to play for speed then use the tools available. I kind of like stealth because you can pick people off and just blend back into the shadows. Going full ham popping every chem in my bag gets kind of old.

[fox]

You become OP after level 30 so xp doesnt really matter that much

[FriesenGamin]

Originally posted by chefcook90:

OOOOOH HO HO, you won't feel that way in NG+ lol
Persuasion is easily one of the best skills in the game when it comes to speed-running the main story and farming those temple upgrades.

Being able skip the final boss fight with a single dialogue check is a huge bonus.

That kinda reiterates my thoughts on it being points i shoudlnt have spent early and just done it late before going into NG+ or on later NGs

[FriesenGamin]

Originally posted by justfaded:

How is it different from other games? Skilling up dialogue is so you can skip fights, which give you exp. No fighting = no exp.

I remember you would get xp from completing quests through stealth in a few games cause i would play it as a stealth character and still be able to lvl up, in this game if you go through something via stealth you wouldnt even lvl up. I feel like the stealth is just to get yourself in a position to snipe people with a silencer but not actually complete something without killing anyone. Think Deus Ex and Metal Gear. Also possible its just been so long since ive played those that im not remembering right. Cause i do remember in DE i could knock everyone out and that was my xp gain.

[FriesenGamin]

Originally posted by Wingnut Mcmoomoo:

you can literally summon a group of enemies to fight at any point with the mission board so i've never felt cheated out of xp or loot

i do like persuasion when i'm doing missions as its usually spared me from a path i didn't want to do or gave me a more interesting path mid mission.

also with persuasion i like the slight bits of extra info you can get... yeah alot of persuasion rolls are generic ones for some of them but most persuasions options have strings of thought that follow the whole persuasion attempt and often if you use the more unique ones they will give you unique dialog with extra info or story.

only time i've used stealth was when the mission heavily implied it was "the way", its kind of fun in those structured missions but freeform its kind of meh

Ive been doing a bunch of the smaller side quest stuff so maybe you see more of that in the bigger quest lines. That is something I like about persuasion in games is the extra dialog info.

[FriesenGamin]

Originally posted by jdford01041983:

Sometimes if you don't use persuasion and you have a follower they get angry. At level 100 you wont be worrying about getting exp anyway. Just play it how you want it. If you want exp then play for exp, if you want to play for speed then use the tools available. I kind of like stealth because you can pick people off and just blend back into the shadows. Going full ham popping every chem in my bag gets kind of old.

Ill have to play around with stealth a little more and just kill people from within stealth instead of trying to sneak by and finish everything like Metal gear

[Mad Max]

Originally posted by ⓀⒾⓦⒾ‰:

same with not being hostile to crimson and pirates. i guess it just offers choice.
if you dont like it that way, do it different

One of the things I hope modders fix. They need to add a ratio of locations inhabited by United Colonies and Freestar Soldiers.

[FriesenGamin]

Originally posted by fox:

You become OP after level 30 so xp doesnt really matter that much

I mean there are a ton of perks to unlock and you cant do that without xp I already feel OP at 17 cause of a lucky wpn drop

[FriesenGamin]

Originally posted by Napoleão Bom da Party:

Originally posted by FriesenGamin:

Doing persuasion stuff gives you 10xp and skips over fights and other stuff that could give you extra xp. I feel like persuasion in cyberpunk,GTA and other games is actually better cause it doesnt hamstring your xp gain.

Same kinda goes for stealth. I tried doing a stealth mission on Neon and you dont get any xp for making it through without alerting anyone. Meanwhile if you just kill everyone while going through the quest you get like 1000k xp if you slept and have the xp bonus.

Having an idea how NG+ works kinda makes me feel like you shouldnt level up sneaking or persuasion until after you are later in the game and jump to a NG+ world.

What are your thoughts???

Persuasion kinda useless? Really? I beat the final boss of this game talking my way out of the fight. Useless? It's you who doesn't know what to choose. It depends on the character and it's morals, it's not always intimidation/ Bribery/ Good willing people who will appear.
Also take a look at fudgemuppet last vid about stealth in order to evaluate what you said.

Useless was the wrong word cause ive def skipped over entire fights but I feel like Im way weaker than I could be if I didnt use persuasion. I always use it if its an option and I dont think ive lost a persuasion check yet. As one guy said earlier its going to be good for speed running but I feel like I shouldnt have used skill points on it this early.

[SmallGespenst]

given how easy it is to land on anywhere on any planet/moon, go to the nearest "Structure" location and get a proc-genned dungeon fully populated with enemies, as many times as you want, there's zero risk to getting less exp from skipping fights with [persuade] option