Really getting tired of all the procedural AI generated content

[neuronfly]

Seriously where is the real content that were made by the devs? Where is the handcrafted content? All the planets are procedural AI generated, hell even the quests are procedural content. The game feels lifeless, barren and boring. I remember previous bethesda games like Skyrim, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were awesome GOTY games and everything were handcrafted by the devs, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI precedural generation. Seriously what is the guarantee that Elder scrolls 6 won't end up like this?

[shlizzrd]

You know that all the games you mentioned also used precedural generation to some degree, right? Most AAA open world games do, and have been for decades.

[Gwynhara]

Elder scrolls will have it as well -- in general there will be much more, rather than much less, procgen content going forward, because it lowers costs and extends the ability to create more content within fixed timeframes. Same will happen with writing and art and so on for the same reason. The norm will be procgen start then some tinkering and tweaking by hand, and there you go.

In this game it's more exaggerated because in their effort to continue the design paradigm from prior games of "going wide" they went really, really wide, which required much more procgen in an aggressive way to make feasible. They could have reduced the number of planets and locations, but that would have, in Todd's mind I am sure, been against the principle of "going wide" that they have had since Daggerfall. So we ended up with what we have.

[TheOrangeBox]

Originally posted by neuronfly:

Seriously where is the real content that were made by the devs? Where is the handcrafted content? All the planets are procedural AI generated, hell even the quests are procedural content. The game feels lifeless, barren and boring. I remember previous bethesda games like Skyrim, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were awesome GOTY games and everything were handcrafted by the devs, no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI precedural generation. Seriously what is the guarantee that Elder scrolls 6 won't end up like this?

You've been trolled by Todd

[Ssjbryando]

Were people really expecting anything different?

''infinite/thousands of planets'' you thought they were all handcrafted? Either we get a game with 10-15 custom maps, or we get an AI-generated game with hundreds of maps.

[Mister Burkes]

Radiant. AI.

[Fear2288]

The use of procedural generation in SF was not a secret, ya know?

They flat out told us that the game was going to feature about 1000 planets but most were going to feature terrain that was procedurally generated.

It’s like you went to a restaurant, looked at a menu, saw a turkey burger, told the waiter you’d take the turkey burger, and then sat there and complained that it wasn’t beef.

[Just Chill]

Originally posted by neuronfly:

Oblivion

Right when you exited the sewers (Tutorial), you've seen floating trees in the distance, as the LOD is quite bad.

Back then, I thought that this is an issue of the regular version, so I refunded it and bought the Director's Cut (with all these tiny DLCs), but surely it had the same problem, as the LOD was not changed.

Well, I stopped believing in software magic back then and started to make compromises when trying to enjoy a game.


Therefore the good thing is, that I learned something with it.
Video games cannot be perfect, ever.
As they are created by humans. And systems for procendural generation cannot be perfect either, as humans told them how they should work.

Which also brought me into the quite receptive situation of criticizing games, even though I like them.


Unfortunately the least people get this POV, as apparently if you like something you may not criticize it.

[Chibi Life]

Unless the game company has the budget of Blackrock they aren't going to be able to design 100s of planets handmade in any reasonable amount of time. You gotta expect procedural generation it's just how things have to be with games like this.

But it does have a lot of improvement that needs to be done.

[Cosgar]

AI is meant to be a tool to make a job easier. These greedy companies are trying to use it to replace workers. It's like buying a bunch of equipment and vehicles on a construction site because you don't want to hire workers to operate them.

[Chibi Life]

Originally posted by Cosgar:

AI is meant to be a tool to make a job easier. These greedy companies are trying to use it to replace workers. It's like buying a bunch of equipment and vehicles on a construction site because you don't want to hire workers to operate them.

They can try but once enough jobs start getting replaced by AI, people are going to burn down businesses. I use AI to chat with various fictional characters but I personally think AI needs to be stopped because it's going to be used in all sorts of bad ways such as rock solid censorship practices, taking over jobs, removing the need for humans to even 'think' anymore, humanlike botting in order to influence public perception into making them think unpopular ideas are popular. I could think of other reasons. I want to stay positive about AI but I just don't think humans are matured enough as a species to handle the responsibility of this technology.

[Seekrt]

Originally posted by Cosgar:

AI is meant to be a tool to make a job easier. These greedy companies are trying to use it to replace workers. It's like buying a bunch of equipment and vehicles on a construction site because you don't want to hire workers to operate them.

True, but to be fair, in the present case, might have been a good idea to replace the lead designer with chatgpt. (Should have said writer.)

[Beep]

Were you expecting anything but Bethesda in space? They live and die by their procedural generation tech.

[Mister Burkes]

Originally posted by ShrimPC:

Were you expecting anything but Bethesda in space? They live and die by their procedural generation tech.

I expected good space exploration with boring planets.

I got fake space exploration with boring planets.

5/10

[Cosgar]

Originally posted by Neko Time:

Originally posted by Cosgar:

AI is meant to be a tool to make a job easier. These greedy companies are trying to use it to replace workers. It's like buying a bunch of equipment and vehicles on a construction site because you don't want to hire workers to operate them.

They can try but once enough jobs start getting replaced by AI, people are going to burn down businesses. I use AI to chat with various fictional characters but I personally think AI needs to be stopped because it's going to be used in all sorts of bad ways such as rock solid censorship practices, taking over jobs, removing the need for humans to even 'think' anymore. I could think of other reasons. I want to stay positive about AI but I just don't think humans are matured enough as a species to handle the responsibility of this technology.

If you fight against technology, you're going to get left behind. I agree AI can be easily exploited, like it's a shame actors are striking to have a clause in their contract to keep AI away from their job. But that's more of a corporate greed problem than an AI problem. The same thing that happens to AI is what happened with CGI. All those Emmerich disaster movies being spammed in Hollywood got old real quick and people got tired of the over-usage of CGI. Eventually people will get sick of AI and businesses will realize they need talent, and workers to use it properly instead of cutting corners, therefore creating jobs for a technology we were all were afraid it would eliminate. Free market goes brrrr

[Zyrconia]

Have you tried... not doing it?

The game is absolutely full of absurd amounts of content. All hand crafted. All main, faction and side quests. For every NPC involved in quests in my 60 hours of gameplay, there are 1-2 more named NPC that for now are no involved in quests, but have a ton of recorded lines.

The game is 80% talking to people, exhausting dialogue trees.

The game has not sent me once to explore barren procedural planets.

This is not a NMS experience where you need, want or should explore planets. They are an afterthought, maybe 5% of the game. The most half assed feature poor part of the game to be fair.

This is a classical Bethesda RPG which is about stumbling into quest, doing quests, exploring hand crafter hubs and experiencing the "quality writing". Only this time, the writing is not that bad. Not great either. Maybe not even good.