This game is much better without Constellation Faction and Main story!

[Wade]

It's not such a bad game if you SKIP MAIN STORY AND CONSTELLATION FACTION.

As soon as you can get away from The Lodge and never come back. Seriously. Don't make Constellation NPCs your companions, there are many other companions you can hire.

Just pretend that Constellation faction doesn't exist, play Sandbox and you might actually enjoy Starfield.

I personally think that ANNOYING and badly written Main Story and annoying Constellation NPCs are the worst part of this game.

[starkmaddness]

Originally posted by Lef:

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

So, 77% then. Filtering out reviews with <= 2 hours removes all reviews by people who refunded the game, which is a pretty odd thing to filter out, as you are creating a biased sample pool.

people who didn t played more than 2h are either people that do nt have a computer to run the game or people who bought the game with weird exceptation

Or they simply didn't like it and decided to request a refund, which has a 2 hour window.

And lets be real, the first couple of hours in this game is horrible. The starting storyline of miner > touch magical object > have vision and become chosen one > get free ship > given location of secret organization, all within the span of minutes is the worst start of any Bethesda game ever, by a wide margin.

[Lef]

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

Originally posted by Lef:

people who didn t played more than 2h are either people that do nt have a computer to run the game or people who bought the game with weird exceptation

Or they simply didn't like it and decided to request a refund, which has a 2 hour window.

And lets be real, the first couple of hours in this game is horrible. The starting storyline of miner > touch magical object > have vision and become chosen one > get free ship > given location of secret organization, all within the span of minutes is the worst start of any Bethesda game ever, by a wide margin.

i don t think your review is still valid if you refunded the game anyway. I think that how steam work

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

Originally posted by Lef:

people who didn t played more than 2h are either people that do nt have a computer to run the game or people who bought the game with weird exceptation

Or they simply didn't like it and decided to request a refund, which has a 2 hour window.

And lets be real, the first couple of hours in this game is horrible. The starting storyline of miner > touch magical object > have vision and become chosen one > get free ship > given location of secret organization, all within the span of minutes is the worst start of any Bethesda game ever, by a wide margin.

Isn't it the same as Skyrim though? We were on a cart and then thrown into the world. Here we get thrown into the world but we need a ship to traverse it. I think that is one of the main differences. I did not realize how much of a copy cat the main story was until getting into the main quest. I feel like I've been there done that and would like something different. It was fantastic once but rehashing it not so much. Kinda like TOS Star Trek Wrath of Khan and then the Abrams rehash in the second film and it just came off as.....tired and felt like you've seen it before and better.

[Blackened Halo]

disagree, the game is even flatter without it

to be honest, the story gives me a purpose to play the game because otherwise i would have no reason why build ships or make outposts

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by Blackened Halo:

disagree, the game is even flatter without it

Well to be fair didn't both previous titles in Elder Scrolls and Fallout do the same thing? Yet they felt very different in how they executed it. They borrowed some types of quest but b/c one was Elder Scrolls fantasy and one was post apocalyptic fantasy they felt very different. This main story feels like I already know where it is going b/c I already played this in another title. I'm enjoying the game overall but definitely lower marks for the main story. Thankfully no Bethesda title is only about the main story.

[ΛΞL™⚡]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

No spoilers for sure but the whole system is a direct copy of what we have already seen. Maybe different powers but same idea and same concept. It just doesn't work in this setting when the first 20 hours are standard space stuff. But whatever the rest of it is good. I'll burn through the nonsensical main story and move on. I guess it was more believable in a more fantasy type setting like Skyrim.

Yeah i don't like the space magic stuff this game marketed itself as sci fi universe but its fantasy with space wizards kinda like Star Wars.

[Lef]

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

Or they simply didn't like it and decided to request a refund, which has a 2 hour window.

And lets be real, the first couple of hours in this game is horrible. The starting storyline of miner > touch magical object > have vision and become chosen one > get free ship > given location of secret organization, all within the span of minutes is the worst start of any Bethesda game ever, by a wide margin.

Isn't it the same as Skyrim though? We were on a cart and then thrown into the world. Here we get thrown into the world but we need a ship to traverse it. I think that is one of the main differences. I did not realize how much of a copy cat the main story was until getting into the main quest. I feel like I've been there done that and would like something different. It was fantastic once but rehashing it not so much. Kinda like TOS Star Trek Wrath of Khan and then the Abrams rehash in the second film and it just came off as.....tired and felt like you've seen it before and better.

yeah true , every betsheda game begining is kind of meg

[ZombieHunter]

Originally posted by ÆŁ16⚡:

Originally posted by ZombieHunter:

No spoilers for sure but the whole system is a direct copy of what we have already seen. Maybe different powers but same idea and same concept. It just doesn't work in this setting when the first 20 hours are standard space stuff. But whatever the rest of it is good. I'll burn through the nonsensical main story and move on. I guess it was more believable in a more fantasy type setting like Skyrim.

Yeah i don't like the space magic stuff this game marketed itself as sci fi universe but its fantasy with space wizards kinda like Star Wars.

I don't know I mean space magic in Star Wars works b/c they crafted it in from the very beginning. They didn't just throw you into it. In the original trilogies they slowly built it up over time and made it mysterious and you wanted to know more. From a pure film perspective we didn't know what it was about until near the end of the 2nd film or start of the 3rd. They had this tension going and it worked. It doesn't work here b/c I feel like I've seen this 'movie' already so to speak. It 100% worked in Skyrim. I was into it. I loved the shouts and all that. It fit right in. Here.....it does not.

[Wrothbog]

Originally posted by starkmaddness:

Originally posted by Lef:

people who didn t played more than 2h are either people that do nt have a computer to run the game or people who bought the game with weird exceptation

Or they simply didn't like it and decided to request a refund, which has a 2 hour window.

And lets be real, the first couple of hours in this game is horrible. The starting storyline of miner > touch magical object > have vision and become chosen one > get free ship > given location of secret organization, all within the span of minutes is the worst start of any Bethesda game ever, by a wide margin.

it could have worked if it was actually exciting. but mine some rocks, touch a special rock, shoot some guys get declared the specialist person ever is so slow and uneventful.

mine some rocks, touch rock, a fleet of pirates shows up, barret shows up as your saviou.....nope shot down, get tasked with rescuing barret, barret tells you to get to constellation with the rock, take vasco they'll get you in. steal the junky ship from argos to escape the pirate fleet. barely make it planetside. it'd make more sense why people are trusting you with impossibly rare space junk and how you got a free ship.

[Go Fish]

Originally posted by Doc Mitchell:

Originally posted by Silmore:

It's good that ng+ let you completely skip the story and be whoever you want

I've found NG+ to be the worst way to play this game. Because you need to finish the main story, and then you get all those absurd "powers", you are Starborn (copy of Dragonborn from Skyrim), and you are so absurdly overpowered that the game becomes very dull and boring. Not my cup of tea. Especially not in a space game.

BTW main story is so badly written that it ruined every immersion for me.

This game has so many identity issues, Bethesda wanted Starfield to become a little bit of everything, but it became nothing, a very bizarre game without soul.

Of course, if you "steal" a bit from each game of genre without system placed behind it, but removing all hardcore features of those games, you get identity crysys and ths mess of balance.

Games they stole:
- Freelancer (and proto-Star Citizen by proxy). Alot of visual design patterns,even quests\random encounters pull ideas frm there. Heck, the "magic schoolbus in space" encounter is a give-away. That's from Freelancer, even dialog is carbon copy.

- Wing Commander universe, the free roaming trader game, name of which I forgot - the economic demands and combat, combat controls.

- Elite - from names of worlds\cities to subsystem power distribution of Elite Dangerous, mission board, crime scheme.

- EVE - some of suit\character and ship weapon design

- NMS - scanning, mining (done alittle better than NMS)


Whats' not taken:

- Hardcore piloting combat of Freelancer.
- Hardocre simming of Elite
- More flexible weaponry controls of EVE
- Hardcore economy of any of them
- Planetary bodies graphics in space and graphics in space in general are worst of any last games. Actually they look worse than Freelancer, 22-year old game?
- Ecosystems of NMS. Most of planets with some live on them have just Earth vegetation with 2-3 random alien species sprinkled around.

What's original?

Outpost building system. But it's Fallout 4 one with some things adjusted, so not so original. And it got same poblems as FO4, as apparently they decided to add essential things later. DLC cow?

Bad and not a thoughtful game UI. Really bad one. Zenimax with TES Online and whoever made Prey did a better job. Inventory management is on a level of 2003 RPG game for a playsattion. Alot of bugs with missing items, disappearign crew,quest items, itemduplication, etc. rooted just inweird UI design.

[Machiavelli]

Idk why I have to join them... I wanna say no.

[Go Fish]

Originally posted by Fellington:

Idk why I have to join them... I wanna say no.

You get first ship from them.. but given what happened to Bennet later, there could be alternate story line.

[CHOO CHOO]

It is such a bad game.

What's good about it? What is actually good in Starfield?

Nothing. Every single part of it is below mediocre.

[ZombieHunter]

Outpst building system. But it's Fallout 4 one with some things adjusted. ANd same poblems, as apaprently they decided to add essential thing slater.

Your entire post is well thought out and I agree. I think the one that stands out to me is this line. Seems they didn't learn from what didn't work in FO 4 settlements and instead just threw it piecemeal into this. It is a fun idea but the building placement and objects placement is a chore and not fun at all. Basic QOL building editing is simply absent. I don't know how I would ever make my habs looks like the interior of the ones their artists and designers made given the system we have without wanting to pull my hair out and quit.

They did eliminate the wires though and now its just fake wires where this is connected to that but there is no visual representation. That did not work well in FO 4 so at least they learned something there.

[Lef]

Originally posted by CHOO CHOO:

It is such a bad game.

What's good about it? What is actually good in Starfield?

Nothing. Every single part of it is below mediocre.

Nothing and yet plenty of people still play hours and love it ? seem like yo uare the one missing something