Ryujin questline was incredibly boring with no payoff.

[Sushin]

Spoilers, but holy hell. I held out hope until the end that it would get interesting, but it was like actually showing up to an office job. A good 80% of the quest line is riding elevators and listening to the most brain dead office politics you can imagine, with 20% of it being stealth based missions where you get a penalty for shooting people (aka the only thing resembling fun in this game)

And in the end, all those choices you make for the execs about whether or not to acquire the rival corporation and discontinue the neural link had 0 payoff or resolution at all. And the woman who betrayed your company gets fired. Big whoop. You would think an evil corporation would at least put a bullet in the back of her head. And my big reward for completing this quest line is that I get randomly generated quests that pay worse than ones I can already take, except they are more boring.

This was one of the least exciting storylines I've ever encountered in a video game by far. I'm still in disbelief that I just spent the past 3 days trying to finish it just for this. What's even worse is there isn't really a shred of social commentary about the player working for an evil soulless corporation. The only moral dilemma is whether or not to support the neural link which as I said has no resolution. I guess Bethesda see's themselves in Ryujin and didn't want to go too hard on any anti corporate themes, but hey at least you can say it's realistic in how mundane it is.

[Wade]

Yep. Pretty much every major questline is boring and lame. This game is so badly written it's hard to believe. I think Emil literally destroyed Starfield with his poor writing skills.

That's why I only play Sandbox and side missions.

[knombalakai]

The end of this quest line was an absolute joke. You don’t even get invited to the board.

Such potential wasted.

[Cyg]

Don't worry the game will get better after 500 hours, you have barely scratched the surface yet.

[NONAME]

The vanguard and the pirates' questlines are not bad.
Ryujin was supposed to be a thieves guild, but stealth is so badly broken that it just falls apart.

[Apoloyn]

The stealth mission is the funniest.

If you just ignore being stealthy and shoot the whole place up, you will suffer absolutely no consequences. Play the mission, ignore the stealth component and kill everything that moves. You will accumulate more loot & therefore be able to make more money by selling of that loot, than if you just played the mission the way its meant to be played.

Sure, you might get a bit of a verbal scolding at the end, but who cares? The supreme irony, is that you made more money, ranked up your skills and kept more loot than if you played the mission the 'right way.'

So in that sense, its actually more 'profitable' to ignore the mission objectives and just do your own thing. The same principle holds for virtually every other stealth mission in this game.

[Apoloyn]

I remember in prior RPG and even single-player FPS games, if you tried to do a stealthy mission and if you were even seen once, the mission would usually end, right there and then.

Not in Starfield, 'the laws of Physics' become temporarily suspended.

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by Sushin:

Spoilers, but holy hell. I held out hope until the end that it would get interesting, but it was like actually showing up to an office job. A good 80% of the quest line is riding elevators and listening to the most brain dead office politics you can imagine, with 20% of it being stealth based missions where you get a penalty for shooting people (aka the only thing resembling fun in this game)

And in the end, all those choices you make for the execs about whether or not to acquire the rival corporation and discontinue the neural link had 0 payoff or resolution at all. And the woman who betrayed your company gets fired. Big whoop. You would think an evil corporation would at least put a bullet in the back of her head. And my big reward for completing this quest line is that I get randomly generated quests that pay worse than ones I can already take, except they are more boring.

This was one of the least exciting storylines I've ever encountered in a video game by far. I'm still in disbelief that I just spent the past 3 days trying to finish it just for this. What's even worse is there isn't really a shred of social commentary about the player working for an evil soulless corporation. The only moral dilemma is whether or not to support the neural link which as I said has no resolution. I guess Bethesda see's themselves in Ryujin and didn't want to go too hard on any anti corporate themes, but hey at least you can say it's realistic in how mundane it is.

Almost as if an AI or some progressive tw1t with no imagination wrote it.

[Emphoise]

Originally posted by Apoloyn:

The stealth mission is the funniest.

If you just ignore being stealthy and shoot the whole place up, you will suffer absolutely no consequences. Play the mission, ignore the stealth component and kill everything that moves. You will accumulate more loot & therefore be able to make more money by selling of that loot, than if you just played the mission the way its meant to be played.

Sure, you might get a bit of a verbal scolding at the end, but who cares? The supreme irony, is that you made more money, ranked up your skills and kept more loot than if you played the mission the 'right way.'

So in that sense, its actually more 'profitable' to ignore the mission objectives and just do your own thing. The same principle holds for virtually every other stealth mission in this game.

Well this is an opportunity to RP as a proper spy - you get a few different reactions depending on how you completed the mission.

Completing the missions with stealth is also much faster if you already know the route with the vents and have a decent stealth bonus.

As for "meaningful rewards" that questline offers the unique operative suit (25% stealth bonus) and a free skill point in manipulation each time you reach the part where you get the neuroamp. So you can do this 4 times during NG+ and get 4 free skill points (its very quick to do).

Other than these 2 cool rewards, yes the story is pretty underwhelming.

[Seseron]

Sorry, OP, can't agree. Completed this quest line without killing a single person and almost completed it without detection. Some jobs were easy peasy. A couple were nerve wrecking difficult. One particular leg of the final job had me quickly sneaking around a desk to keep a guard patrolling from detecting me. Detection meter was close to max, and I was like "Hell no! Hell no!" Laughed at myself when I succeeded.

At the end, I was satisfied with the quest and had a lot of fun. I'm not a fan of the radiant quests, though. I've planted that dang device on Ron Hope's ship too many times. But I enjoyed it. Plan on dedicating some love to the radiant quests when CK drops.

[Rambit]

Originally posted by Seseron:

Sorry, OP, can't agree. Completed this quest line without killing a single person and almost completed it without detection. Some jobs were easy peasy. A couple were nerve wrecking difficult. One particular leg of the final job had me quickly sneaking around a desk to keep a guard patrolling from detecting me. Detection meter was close to max, and I was like "Hell no! Hell no!" Laughed at myself when I succeeded.

At the end, I was satisfied with the quest and had a lot of fun. I'm not a fan of the radiant quests, though. I've planted that dang device on Ron Hope's ship too many times. But I enjoyed it. Plan on dedicating some love to the radiant quests when CK drops.

i'll download that mod.

[FrazzleSnazzle]

was one of the last questlines I completed before tossing in the towel. It was boring, the stealth was buggy, the powers I never used that might be useful alerted all enemies on every quest, and man that payoff was absolute ass. Doubly so with Constellation hating me for choosing the garbage manipulation I'd never use. thanks for the reminder.

[Krash Megiddo]

I like it

[Gamefever]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

Originally posted by Sushin:

Spoilers, but holy hell. I held out hope until the end that it would get interesting, but it was like actually showing up to an office job. A good 80% of the quest line is riding elevators and listening to the most brain dead office politics you can imagine, with 20% of it being stealth based missions where you get a penalty for shooting people (aka the only thing resembling fun in this game)

And in the end, all those choices you make for the execs about whether or not to acquire the rival corporation and discontinue the neural link had 0 payoff or resolution at all. And the woman who betrayed your company gets fired. Big whoop. You would think an evil corporation would at least put a bullet in the back of her head. And my big reward for completing this quest line is that I get randomly generated quests that pay worse than ones I can already take, except they are more boring.

This was one of the least exciting storylines I've ever encountered in a video game by far. I'm still in disbelief that I just spent the past 3 days trying to finish it just for this. What's even worse is there isn't really a shred of social commentary about the player working for an evil soulless corporation. The only moral dilemma is whether or not to support the neural link which as I said has no resolution. I guess Bethesda see's themselves in Ryujin and didn't want to go too hard on any anti corporate themes, but hey at least you can say it's realistic in how mundane it is.

Almost as if an AI or some progressive tw1t with no imagination wrote it.

Corporate guy protecting his IP.