Why is cybernetics not a thing?

[Lamiosa]

They developed technology so far and even travel with starships. But I did not see any cybernetic improvements, besides some rare NPCs with some metal at face. Even today already people have replacements and it gets developed further. Did the humans in Starfield decide that cybernetics are ethnical wrong, did they bring cloning of organs to such perfection that cybernetics is not needed, or why do they not used cybernetics at all?

[Recklessdvo]

I'm guessing DLC

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Recklessdvo:

I'm guessing DLC

Old world blues

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Mutuh:

Considering how many cases of organs I've been selling - they just reuse all the parts- no need for cybernetics.

But imagine you could do transactions or fly ships just with your brain connected, jump onto buildings with enhanced legs, carry whole cars with a new mechanic skeleton...

There is a guy in a certain quest line with a certain faction that shows it is very much possible to augment yourself to connect to the net. Plus certain people mention cyber runners

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Midnight:

Cybernetics are a cool sci-fi concept. But with sufficiently avanced biotech there's not really much of a reason to replace organs/limbs with inorganic parts.

It's not like cybernetics are a requirement in a sci-fi universe.

In fact even the original Deus Ex game (which the more modern titles are a prequel to) saw metal limbs as old, clunky an ugly. Replaced by the advanced nanotechnology.

People with the old cybernetics being resentful of that was a major plot point.

It depends on what you do, I do not want to spoiler, but if you follow the pirat questlines, you will meet someone who is augmented to do transactions faster. So it IS in the game, the question is why it is so rare. At warhammer 40K it is a matter of being wealthy. Wealthy and high ranked people are augmented heavily, whil poor people cannot afford it.

WH40k is pretty far from hard sci-fi and pretty much built on a rule of cool.

My point is that cybernetic metal limbs are not that practical in hard sci-fi universe. You proposed this technology as being something inevitable.

I don't think it's inevitable. To me it's more anachronistic.

Like, what if I told you there was a human enhanced to be able to access global information network, communicate with anyone on the planet. Find information, have computer analyze data, images and text and suggest course of action? Sounds pretty sci-fi.

But that's just a person with a smarphone. What make it sci-fi is having the smarhphone implanted in your body. But even if we had that technology I don't see it being that practical.

That is unless you're physically incapable of using the interface. In that case it's useful, but that means you are disabled somehow which is going to be rare, not a general state of affairs.

Cyberpunk is a subgenre for a reason. It's a style not inevitable part of every sci-fi universe.

[Nightwalker]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

They developed technology so far and even travel with starships. But I did not see any cybernetic improvements,

Oh it is mentioned. In fact, if you explore one of the first labs you encounter as part of the main quest line you'll see that they were used for warfare which is probably why they aren't a very popular to have, unless there is a medical reason for it.

[His Divine Shadow]

Originally posted by Midnight:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

It depends on what you do, I do not want to spoiler, but if you follow the pirat questlines, you will meet someone who is augmented to do transactions faster. So it IS in the game, the question is why it is so rare. At warhammer 40K it is a matter of being wealthy. Wealthy and high ranked people are augmented heavily, whil poor people cannot afford it.

WH40k is pretty far from hard sci-fi and pretty much built on a rule of cool.

My point is that cybernetic metal limbs are not that practical in hard sci-fi universe. You proposed this technology as being something inevitable.

I don't think it's inevitable. To me it's more anachronistic.

Like, what if I told you there was a human enhanced to be able to access global information network, communicate with anyone on the planet. Find information, have computer analyze data, images and text and suggest course of action? Sounds pretty sci-fi.

But that's just a person with a smarphone. What make it sci-fi is having the smarhphone implanted in your body. But even if we had that technology I don't see it being that practical.

That is unless you're physically incapable of using the interface. In that case it's useful, but that means you are disabled somehow which is going to be rare, not a general state of affairs.

Cyberpunk is a subgenre for a reason. It's a style not inevitable part of every sci-fi universe.

WH40k, like Star Wars, isn’t scifi. They’re both space fantasy operas

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by Midnight:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

It depends on what you do, I do not want to spoiler, but if you follow the pirat questlines, you will meet someone who is augmented to do transactions faster. So it IS in the game, the question is why it is so rare. At warhammer 40K it is a matter of being wealthy. Wealthy and high ranked people are augmented heavily, whil poor people cannot afford it.

WH40k is pretty far from hard sci-fi and pretty much built on a rule of cool.

My point is that cybernetic metal limbs are not that practical in hard sci-fi universe. You proposed this technology as being something inevitable.

I don't think it's inevitable. To me it's more anachronistic.

Like, what if I told you there was a human enhanced to be able to access global information network, communicate with anyone on the planet. Find information, have computer analyze data, images and text and suggest course of action? Sounds pretty sci-fi.

But that's just a person with a smarphone. What make it sci-fi is having the smarhphone implanted in your body. But even if we had that technology I don't see it being that practical.

That is unless you're physically incapable of using the interface. In that case it's useful, but that means you are disabled somehow which is going to be rare, not a general state of affairs.

Cyberpunk is a subgenre for a reason. It's a style not inevitable part of every sci-fi universe.

I think it is still a matter of "what do you need". If you want to be a super human who can fight and go onto planets with hardest conditioned, it would come in handy, if either cybernetics or genetics would enhance humans to do so. If you go the way "no, we want be lazy and synths do all the work for us", you could decide that humans just stay weak humans.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

Originally posted by Mutuh:

Considering how many cases of organs I've been selling - they just reuse all the parts- no need for cybernetics.

But imagine you could do transactions or fly ships just with your brain connected, jump onto buildings with enhanced legs, carry whole cars with a new mechanic skeleton...

Why does the mechanical skeleton need to be inside your body? That would be massively expensive, invasive and dangerous surgery. You can jsut have the skeleton outside... exo-skeleton.

Also, why do you need augumented legs in an universe where everyone has a jetpack?

Why is the assumption that brain interface is superior control method for flying ships?

In fact if we took realistic hard sci-fi approach space ships should be pretty much impossible to fly for human pilots and would be largely computer controlled.

Brain interface or not true 6D movement with persistent momentum would break a human mind pretty quickly.

[Lamiosa]

Originally posted by Midnight:

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

But imagine you could do transactions or fly ships just with your brain connected, jump onto buildings with enhanced legs, carry whole cars with a new mechanic skeleton...

Why does the mechanical skeleton need to be inside your body? That would be massively expensive, invasive and dangerous surgery. You can jsut have the skeleton outside... exo-skeleton.

Also, why do you need augumented legs in an universe where everyone has a jetpack?

Why is the assumption that brain interface is superior control method for flying ships?

In fact if we took realistic hard sci.fi approach space ships should be rpetty much impossible to fly for human pilots and would be largely computer controlled.

Brain interface or not true 6D movement with persistent momentum would break a human mind pretty quickly.

Because stuff being connected to your neural systems are way faster than "just something you wear"? Also if you are enhanced you can use it any time and not have to wear it. You do not use weapons anymore, you are the weapon.

[Schlumpsha]

Cybernetics? Starfield has equipable Neuroamps in shops. External look like computer chips on your head and boost skills. There is also an internal one if you do the Ryujin Industires questline.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

They developed technology so far and even travel with starships. But I did not see any cybernetic improvements, besides some rare NPCs with some metal at face. Even today already people have replacements and it gets developed further. Did the humans in Starfield decide that cybernetics are ethnical wrong, did they bring cloning of organs to such perfection that cybernetics is not needed, or why do they not used cybernetics at all?

Cybernetics are a thing in the games lore, its mentioned repeatedly and you can even have a "cyberneticist" background.

To quote said background text:
"Robots? Mere Toys. Neuroamps? Good for parlor tricks. The Colony War may have made implants and upgrades available to veterans, but you once saw a greater future. Humans and machines, as one."

Its just not something you (the player) get to throw in and out of your body like you would put on a jacket (aka Cyberpunk). At least not atm, i assume more cybernetics is a possibility for any potential future DLC.

[Will it Blend]

There's at least one cybernetic you can gain, the one i know about is an experimental one and its a mission rewards.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Lamiosa:

At warhammer 40K it is a matter of being wealthy. Wealthy and high ranked people are augmented heavily, whil poor people cannot afford it.

Ughh... *Looks at a servitor* Yea... no.

In 40k you can get augmented for various reasons. Its even a punishment for criminals (Being made into a servitor is rather common, for extreme cases you can even be turned into a Arco Flagellant).

The whole Mechanicum is all about augmentation and even the lowliest dirt poor scribe within their ranks has at least some. Heck even their thralls might be augmented if its deemed worth it (for example, if a world the Mechancius is exploiting has a barely breathable atmosphere the Mechanicus might decide to give the thralls cybernetic lungs if they deem it more effective then the necessary breathing equipment).

For those outside of the Mechanicum it can vary greatly from faction to faction and even world to world (like most things in the imperium of man). Some world may have cybernetics as a norm (either because they are close to the Mechanicum or its just a cultural thing for them), on other worlds it may be a cultural taboo and seen as horrible, others still may simply not have the option.

When it comes to the armies of humanity most elite soldiers have some sort of augments and even the normal soldiers can be given bionic limbs and the like if they are considered worth the expense.