Bethesda runs a 20 year old game engine

[Corso]

Tells people on modern and expensive hardware to upgrade.

Irony

To Bethesda
No. Upgrade. Create a modern game engine. You have no defence for this. Your tech is trash, not my PC.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Translate: Unreal Engine 5 is 25 Years old.

OP lowest troll bait ever seen

UE5 was released in 2022
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/unreal-engine-5-is-now-available
There is a 5.2 now. 2023 update


Creation Engine was released in 2011
CE2 is not really a new engine, its an update to CE.

Todd said back in 2021 once they revealed CE2 that it would be the future of gaming and it would fuel the industry with new ideas forward, because it was so good.
He also said that upcoming TESVI would use it and would showcase how awesome it is.

Lets be honest, they are not using the same updated engine on Starfield as TESVI... its rather clear.. Starfield looks like it was created in the original state of the engine and with its limitation.. I reckon what they have done is develop in the old engine, then make a few updates to test.

Starfield might be a test subject for what might work and not for TESVI
I know Todd said CE2 actually was supposed to use scanned images for various things ie. terrein, but lets be honest.. none see that in Starfield.

In many ways I think Gamebryo was better and had less limitations, but its a matter of bias. They needed to transition from that as well... but CE in its current state is also a no go for the future.

They're 100% using photogrammetry in Starfield.

Creation Engine 2 is at least as much of an update as UE5 was (UE5 actually wasn't that huge of an update though. Most of the underlying code and functionality is the same as UE4, which is why some of the first few UE5 games have the same stutter/shader compilation issues).

[Corso]

Originally posted by Damien:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

UE5 was released in 2022
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/unreal-engine-5-is-now-available
There is a 5.2 now. 2023 update

You do realize that the 5 after the Unreal Engine indicates the version that it is, correct? Meaning it's the FIFTH version of the engine. Meaning it's not original. The fifth version of the engine was released in 2022 but the original version is from 1998. All the subsequent versions are modifications of the original.

Yes, so not the original. It's not the same engine.

[EternalLoop]

Originally posted by Caduryn:

Originally posted by Corso:

i get your point, unreal 5.2 is not 25 years old.
it's not the same engine.

Just like Creation Engine 2.... how can a Engine from 2021 be 20 YEARS old???

Are they using creation engine 2, wow no wonder why the game looks like ♥♥♥♥, they only had 2 and a half year to make the game.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Erevein:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

You don't need any of that to run this game. Also if you're talking about Canadian currency you should probably specify as most users are in the US and your currency is worth a lot less along with prices being higher.

sure but dont u think about futur game?
or u just want the minimun of today and upgrade every year?
i bought the best 14 years ago....i barely needed to upgrade over the year and in the end my pc did last me 14 whole years
ill do the same again because upgrading every 4-5 years is a pita

You're changing your argument. You're either trying to future proof or update for Starfield. Pick one.

Also, not a chance in hell have you been playing modern AAA games on a 14 year old PC with "minor" upgrades.

[sno0ks]

Originally posted by Robot Joe:

you know Idsoftware's engine has technically been built upon the same one since quake

and it runs flawlessly. what's bethesda's excuse?

[Damien]

Originally posted by Corso:

Originally posted by Damien:

You do realize that the 5 after the Unreal Engine indicates the version that it is, correct? Meaning it's the FIFTH version of the engine. Meaning it's not original. The fifth version of the engine was released in 2022 but the original version is from 1998. All the subsequent versions are modifications of the original.

Yes, so not the original. It's not the same engine.

So with your own logic, the title of this thread is inaccurate. CE isn't a 20 year old engine, in your own words.

[juskom95]

Originally posted by sno0ks:

Originally posted by Robot Joe:

you know Idsoftware's engine has technically been built upon the same one since quake

and it runs flawlessly. what's bethesda's excuse?

Vastly different games?

[Caduryn]

Originally posted by Corso:

Originally posted by Damien:

You do realize that the 5 after the Unreal Engine indicates the version that it is, correct? Meaning it's the FIFTH version of the engine. Meaning it's not original. The fifth version of the engine was released in 2022 but the original version is from 1998. All the subsequent versions are modifications of the original.

Yes, so not the original. It's not the same engine.

Just like CE2, its not the same engine

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by Damien:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

UE5 was released in 2022
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/unreal-engine-5-is-now-available
There is a 5.2 now. 2023 update

You do realize that the 5 after the Unreal Engine indicates the version that it is, correct? Meaning it's the FIFTH version of the engine. Meaning it's not original. The fifth version of the engine was released in 2022 but the original version is from 1998. All the subsequent versions are modifications of the original.

I do. But the updates from each version is extreme and is not just simple updates like you see with the CE. Hence it is not really comparable.
It is almost like a new engine, because it has so many new features and changes.

CE2 has little extra to offer right now (we can´t say if this will change with TESVI, as I said we might just have seen basically CE with a few added CE2 in Starfield, that would explain a lot)

[AdahnGorion]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

UE5 was released in 2022
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/unreal-engine-5-is-now-available
There is a 5.2 now. 2023 update


Creation Engine was released in 2011
CE2 is not really a new engine, its an update to CE.

Todd said back in 2021 once they revealed CE2 that it would be the future of gaming and it would fuel the industry with new ideas forward, because it was so good.
He also said that upcoming TESVI would use it and would showcase how awesome it is.

Lets be honest, they are not using the same updated engine on Starfield as TESVI... its rather clear.. Starfield looks like it was created in the original state of the engine and with its limitation.. I reckon what they have done is develop in the old engine, then make a few updates to test.

Starfield might be a test subject for what might work and not for TESVI
I know Todd said CE2 actually was supposed to use scanned images for various things ie. terrein, but lets be honest.. none see that in Starfield.

In many ways I think Gamebryo was better and had less limitations, but its a matter of bias. They needed to transition from that as well... but CE in its current state is also a no go for the future.

They're 100% using photogrammetry in Starfield.

Creation Engine 2 is at least as much of an update as UE5 was (UE5 actually wasn't that huge of an update though. Most of the underlying code and functionality is the same as UE4, which is why some of the first few UE5 games have the same stutter/shader compilation issues).

I can´t see the use of Phogogrammetry in Starfield, but many its because I did not explore to much in my 12 hours of gameplay, but it sure was nowhere to be screen on the planets or cities I visited.

[Damien]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Originally posted by Damien:

You do realize that the 5 after the Unreal Engine indicates the version that it is, correct? Meaning it's the FIFTH version of the engine. Meaning it's not original. The fifth version of the engine was released in 2022 but the original version is from 1998. All the subsequent versions are modifications of the original.

I do. But the updates from each version is extreme and is not just simple updates like you see with the CE. Hence it is not really comparable.
It is almost like a new engine, because it has so many new features and changes.

CE2 has little extra to offer right now (we can´t say if this will change with TESVI, as I said we might just have seen basically CE with a few added CE2 in Starfield, that would explain a lot)

I have the source code for UE. I don't have the source code for CE. I would not presume to know what has changed or not. How simple or complex.

[Corso]

Originally posted by sno0ks:

Originally posted by Robot Joe:

you know Idsoftware's engine has technically been built upon the same one since quake

and it runs flawlessly. what's bethesda's excuse?

its not true.
idsoftware's tech has changed immensely from game to game over the years, they aren't the same game engines. doom eternal is not built on the same engine as for example rage. it's not the same thing.
this isn't really the crux of my argument.
my argument is some multi millionaire from a major game dev who released a game that is AMD sponsored has told PC gamers to upgrade. the PC market is less than 30% AMD used. XBOX/Microsoft use AMD tech. It's a marketing scheme and im sick of it.
PC gamers are being fleeced and you should be on my side.

[kolumuani12]

Originally posted by Corso:

btw have no interest in AMD products either. they're inferior

Your thread was right but you take the L here, AMD is better price/performance wise.

[Corso]

Originally posted by Dragor:

Why Bethesda not using UnReAL EnGiNe? There are so mayn cool tutorials on youtube on how to make games with UE, Blender an AI!

EXACTLY
Why arne't they using a superior game engine?
Because they've have to give up a percentage of the profits to them. Well thats part of it. But clearly there is more to it.

[Angel666]

Originally posted by Chase123324:

game runs fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA-JX6olTIA