You really think TES6 or Fallout 5 will be great games after this?

[Wade]

People keep saying "Bethesda should have made TES6, this is mistake..."

You really think that after this painfully average, horribly unoptimized Starfield Bethesda will ever make another great game?

Please, do yourself a favor and stop being so naive.

[HuffingJenkem]

Fallout 5 was never going to be a good game, since Bethesda's idea of the Fallout setting is post-apoc Borderlands with faction quests. TES6 might be if they go back to their roots - every ES game since Daggerfall has lost complexity, though, so it will probably be a straight up hack and slash.

[Ed209]

if it happens it will happen under a different administration, Frankly I think Bethesda days of taking two decades to do things are over under Microsoft administration. But not sure what to expect as a result - it's obvious that new talent and a fresh start is needed after this release.

[Codian]

Another waste of time speculation post. Go do something good with your life

[oddball]

I've never cared for Fallout -- the only joy I got out of the original was running around with a spear murdering people -- so I don't expect much out of the latest iteration.

But if Starfield is anything to go by TES6 is gonna be incredible.

[Thick-Six]

The criticisms around starfield aren't related to it being a bad RPG, its purely about the implementation of space travel.

As a Bethesda RPG its fantastic and they clearly took the criticism of Fallout 4 to heart and made huge improvements to the dialogue system specifically. Its only made me more confident ES6 will be good.

Id be interested to hear what aspects of Starfield make you think Fallout 5 and ES6 will be bad?

[Montiness]

None of the fallout games by bethesda were good, TES hasn't been good since morrowind and even there I was disappointed with the amount they stripped out of what made daggerfall good, forgiving them for the engine that they built.

Since then though they've ousted the only person I believe that was striving for that kind of inspiration and reverted to releasing worse and worse games but including slightly better graphics.

Personally the fact that modders hours after released had fixed issues in the release (not all, but big ones) is further case for Bethesda just putting out any old @#$# and expecting the community, who's paid to be playtesters, to make the game semi reasonable.

It's not naivety, it's hope. Constantly killed hope, but hope nonetheless.

[Wade]

Originally posted by Kye:

The criticisms around starfield aren't related to it being a bad RPG, its purely about the implementation of space travel.

As a Bethesda RPG its fantastic

Starfield doesn't have any of the RPG mechanics at all. In the end it's just dumb looter shooter with fast traveling. What are you even talking about? Starfiels is RPG? LOL

[Thick-Six]

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Fallout 5 was never going to be a good game, since Bethesda's idea of the Fallout setting is post-apoc Borderlands with faction quests. TES6 might be if they go back to their roots - every ES game since Daggerfall has lost complexity, though, so it will probably be a straight up hack and slash.

What complexity exists in Daggerfall that makes it so good? Morrowing is easily the best game they have made from an RPG perspective, but combat not so much.

Fallout 4 was terrible as an RPG, but had fantastic gameplay and combat

every game has its pros and cons. Simplifying it to old=better isnt helpful.

[Thick-Six]

Originally posted by Doc Mitchell:

Originally posted by Kye:

The criticisms around starfield aren't related to it being a bad RPG, its purely about the implementation of space travel.

As a Bethesda RPG its fantastic

Starfield doesn't have any of the RPG mechanics at all. In the end it's just dumb looter shooter with fast traveling. What are you even talking about? Starfiels is RPG? LOL

What are your standards for an RPG then? i assume you would also think Skyrim and New Vegas aren't RPGs either?

[Montiness]

Originally posted by HuffingJenkem:

Fallout 5 was never going to be a good game, since Bethesda's idea of the Fallout setting is post-apoc Borderlands with faction quests. TES6 might be if they go back to their roots - every ES game since Daggerfall has lost complexity, though, so it will probably be a straight up hack and slash.

Since oblivion came out I had made mention that I look forawrd to the next game only attack, magic and health stats.... that came true. When skyrim came out I mentioned I looked forward to the next game having only health... Starfield is essentially that so I have no idea what possible depth of character they can strip out and expect to be forgiven because they've built yet another direct to pc console port and completely given away any respect for the pc players who made their company so large and financial.

[Sir Happy]

Did you forget about the game that came before fallout 76. Ya that broken buggy rided game.

[Montiness]

Originally posted by Kye:

Originally posted by Doc Mitchell:

Starfield doesn't have any of the RPG mechanics at all. In the end it's just dumb looter shooter with fast traveling. What are you even talking about? Starfiels is RPG? LOL

What are your standards for an RPG then? i assume you would also think Skyrim and New Vegas aren't RPGs either?

Daggerfall / Arena is the standard bethesda are held to by the people who made the company their money and power, and have continually been #$%# on by the company since TES3. I even forgive them Battlespire because I saw it more of a tech demo for morrowind.

[Hollywood]

Starfield has reignited my hope for future BGS games. Now I'm more hopeful for a Starfield 2 than anything else, probably get to play that when I'm 45 years old.

[Montiness]

Originally posted by Sir Happy:

Did you forget about the game that came before fallout 76. Ya that broken buggy rided game.

I despised their take on the fallout games anyway so was never going to buy it and saw it purely as a fallout cash grab like TES online was. Abysmal at best.

[Grimmx]

I bought into the hype and bought D4 at release, i also bought BG3. (BG3 is a very good game)
Starfield i wont buy before its on a 60%+ discount, however long it takes.

Ill never again buy into any hype before its released. Ever.
Ill never let hype and rigged reviews or % on steam and other sites affect me anymore.

If they cant back up what they advertise i just wont buy the game.
Hopefully more and more people wont let gaming companies get away with releasing unfinished games, or games that dont deliver whats promised.

People need to make up their own mind before they buy, its tthat simple.
89% on Steam?
What a joke. They have no shame.