The pronouns are not a good thing

[RealityGx]

Hi everyone,

I had already made a topic that was closed by moderation, I guess the debates people were getting into were too divisive (overall it was just about the distribution of human races in the game).

However, I had a rather long text and I'm surprised to see that nobody talked too much about the rest, for example pronouns. I must confess that I don't understand how this is useful at all? So I can already see one or two clever people coming along and saying "imagine crying because of that", yes, but why not "imagine crying because there isn't that", what's the point of putting that in? It seems pure logic, in an RPG, that if you choose to make a man you'll be he/he and if you make a woman it'll be she/he, it's like taking a grenade launcher and resenting the fact that it doesn't fire lasers.

All this to say that we need topics that talk about this problem, and the more the better, not because it's spam, but because we need to show our dissatisfaction with certain practices (I'm thinking in particular of the EGS score), because as I said in the other topic, in my opinion it's all motivated by money, Bethesda got really scared after Fallout76, you can see that by all the boxes ticked, the game sold at a very, very high price (€70 on PC is not insignificant), and the fact that people are allowed to accept this obviously affects the market, and I find it revolting on the one hand, but on the other hand, but well...

Anyway, if you have anything (constructive to say) don't hesitate, but if you do let's try not to lock this topic :)

[DudeGuy]

Can you tell me why there shouldn't be pronouns?

It does not affect gameplay, it does not affect story, it's literally just a cosmetic option for people who want a pronoun that doesn't match what their chatacter looks like.

Because like it or not, in the modern world there are people who use pronouns that don't match their biological gender.

[Werewolf Moms]

imagine coming back for seconds on a rage bender

[VoidEngineer]

Originally posted by iageneratedimage:

Hi everyone,

I had already made a topic that was closed by moderation, I guess the debates people were getting into were too divisive (overall it was just about the distribution of human races in the game).

However, I had a rather long text and I'm surprised to see that nobody talked too much about the rest, for example pronouns. I must confess that I don't understand how this is useful at all? So I can already see one or two clever people coming along and saying "imagine crying because of that", yes, but why not "imagine crying because there isn't that", what's the point of putting that in? It seems pure logic, in an RPG, that if you choose to make a man you'll be he/he and if you make a woman it'll be she/he, it's like taking a grenade launcher and resenting the fact that it doesn't fire lasers.

All this to say that we need topics that talk about this problem, and the more the better, not because it's spam, but because we need to show our dissatisfaction with certain practices (I'm thinking in particular of the EGS score), because as I said in the other topic, in my opinion it's all motivated by money, Bethesda got really scared after Fallout76, you can see that by all the boxes ticked, the game sold at a very, very high price (€70 on PC is not insignificant), and the fact that people are allowed to accept this obviously affects the market, and I find it revolting on the one hand, but on the other hand, but well...

Anyway, if you have anything (constructive to say) don't hesitate, but if you do let's try not to lock this topic :)

Pronoun options in games aren't about "ticking boxes" or purely about money. It's about representation and inclusivity. Just as games have evolved in graphics, mechanics, and storytelling, they've also evolved in how they represent their diverse player base.

For many, gender isn't strictly binary. Having pronoun options allows these players to feel seen and acknowledged in a medium they love. It's a small detail for some, but for others, it's a significant step towards feeling included.

Comparing pronoun options to weapon mechanics (grenade launchers vs. lasers) isn't really apples to apples. One is about identity and representation, and the other is about gameplay mechanics.

It's essential to approach these changes with an open mind. Games, like all forms of art, reflect the society they're created in. If a minor feature like this is a point of contention, perhaps it's worth asking why it elicits such a strong reaction.

[MicroStutterEngine]

Originally posted by DudeGuy:

Can you tell me why there shouldn't be pronouns?

It does not affect gameplay, it does not affect story, it's literally just a cosmetic option for people who want a pronoun that doesn't match what their chatacter looks like.

Because like it or not, in the modern world there are people who use pronouns that don't match their biological gender.

Bro... don't even try and reason with these people. They WILL REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND the difference between SEX and GENDER no matter what you say. Don't make your head tired.

[YeenBean]

Imagine needing others to affirm what you feel like. What a sad life.

[_.Ainz._]

ya starfield might just be the straw that broke the camels back. people are getting sick of the ideology behind pronouns and the cult like behaviour of those extremists that push it. Kinda feel sorry for bethesda, i dont think they know what they stood in xD

[RealityGx]

Originally posted by DudeGuy:

Can you tell me why there shouldn't be pronouns?

It does not affect gameplay, it does not affect story, it's literally just a cosmetic option for people who want a pronoun that doesn't match what their chatacter looks like.

Because like it or not, in the modern world there are people who use pronouns that don't match their biological gender.

Of course, as I said, pronouns are linked to gender. If you make a man, people will use the masculine gender, that's the basis of all logic.

There's nothing cosmetic about it, and you have to look beyond that.

I'm not sure it's going to stay in the world of the future, and for a lot of people it's not really appreciated to force it that way.

[RealityGx]

Originally posted by MicroStutterEngine:

Originally posted by DudeGuy:

Can you tell me why there shouldn't be pronouns?

It does not affect gameplay, it does not affect story, it's literally just a cosmetic option for people who want a pronoun that doesn't match what their chatacter looks like.

Because like it or not, in the modern world there are people who use pronouns that don't match their biological gender.

Bro... don't even try and reason with these people. They WILL REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND the difference between SEX and GENDER no matter what you say. Don't make your head tired.

Indeed, the problem comes from our languages. Being French, the genre is only intended for objects in my native language, so it may be different for English speakers.

Your gender = your sex, for a human at least (the example had been that, for example, a chair doesn't have a sex, so we don't know whether we're saying "un" or "une" chair).

[VoidEngineer]

Originally posted by Ainz:

ya starfield might just be the straw that broke the camels back. people are getting sick of the ideology behind pronouns and the cult like behaviour of those extremists that push it. Kinda feel sorry for bethesda, i dont think they know what they stood in xD

It's a bit wild to label the inclusion of pronoun options as "cult-like behavior" or "extremism." It's just a feature to make everyone feel seen and included. Games evolve to reflect the diverse world we live in. If a minor feature like this is the "straw that broke the camel's back" for you, maybe it's time to reflect on why such a simple gesture of inclusivity triggers such a strong reaction. Let's not blow things out of proportion and remember that games are for everyone, not just a select few.

[CCShad]

The game defaults to he/him for male body types, and she/her for female body types. You have to open a separate, optional menu to change it.

I don’t really see why the extra customization option is a bad thing in any way, shape or form - just allows players to truly make their character theirs - nothing is being forced down anyone’s throat like a lot of things in modern gaming.

[RealityGx]

Originally posted by Skjarl:

Originally posted by iageneratedimage:

Hi everyone,

I had already made a topic that was closed by moderation, I guess the debates people were getting into were too divisive (overall it was just about the distribution of human races in the game).

However, I had a rather long text and I'm surprised to see that nobody talked too much about the rest, for example pronouns. I must confess that I don't understand how this is useful at all? So I can already see one or two clever people coming along and saying "imagine crying because of that", yes, but why not "imagine crying because there isn't that", what's the point of putting that in? It seems pure logic, in an RPG, that if you choose to make a man you'll be he/he and if you make a woman it'll be she/he, it's like taking a grenade launcher and resenting the fact that it doesn't fire lasers.

All this to say that we need topics that talk about this problem, and the more the better, not because it's spam, but because we need to show our dissatisfaction with certain practices (I'm thinking in particular of the EGS score), because as I said in the other topic, in my opinion it's all motivated by money, Bethesda got really scared after Fallout76, you can see that by all the boxes ticked, the game sold at a very, very high price (€70 on PC is not insignificant), and the fact that people are allowed to accept this obviously affects the market, and I find it revolting on the one hand, but on the other hand, but well...

Anyway, if you have anything (constructive to say) don't hesitate, but if you do let's try not to lock this topic :)

Pronoun options in games aren't about "ticking boxes" or purely about money. It's about representation and inclusivity. Just as games have evolved in graphics, mechanics, and storytelling, they've also evolved in how they represent their diverse player base.

For many, gender isn't strictly binary. Having pronoun options allows these players to feel seen and acknowledged in a medium they love. It's a small detail for some, but for others, it's a significant step towards feeling included.

Comparing pronoun options to weapon mechanics (grenade launchers vs. lasers) isn't really apples to apples. One is about identity and representation, and the other is about gameplay mechanics.

It's essential to approach these changes with an open mind. Games, like all forms of art, reflect the society they're created in. If a minor feature like this is a point of contention, perhaps it's worth asking why it elicits such a strong reaction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#:~:text=The%20DSM-5%20moved%20this,the%20former%20term%20was%20stigmatizing.

That's funny they change things to a mental disorder

[BEEP!]

Well shoot guess I'm not a girl anymore because I can't use my pronoun I was born with as a She or her well darn.

[This_is_Citrus]

Everyone in here's is a Nostradamus predicting exactly how life will be 300 years in the future. Just enjoy the game if you like it and stop playing it if you don't.

[RealityGx]

Originally posted by 1080puktra:

Well shoot guess I'm not a girl anymore because I can't use my pronoun I was born with as a She or her well darn.

Your pronouns aren't what defines if you're a boy or a girl

[Gaydivers 2]

we get it, you hate anything you don't agree with. cry harder