No freedom to be evil

[Erique]

Why is it that a lot of the quests just turns your character into a yes-man that wants to help everyone. Most "evil" dialogue options are just "give me more money". Killing is not a viable option in most cases as a lot of NPC just go into a down state. And now a lot of my quest just sit there incomplete, because I can't be a ♥♥♥♥ and just say no to them or something. At least let me fail the quest for not wanting to be a good guy that agrees to help every single person I pass by.

[BlueShadow]

Originally posted by Lexx:

Originally posted by BlueShadow:

This is a bethesda game, what did you expect? Morrowind or bg3 like choices? Ahahahahaha.

I was hoping for skyrim/fallout 3/new vegas
I was expecting/fearing fallout 4 a looter shooter with no soul thats why i have not bought this game yet

Even Skyrim was deep as a puddle in terms of dialogue choice and freedom. You couldn't really be an evil person there.
But i get your frustration, i want the game to be great too. And the reality of the situ is that, they care about making money, not a good game. They even use the same tired ass backwards engine they did 15 years ago...

[GuerillaTactix]

Maybe you can't be evil in the story, but the amount of people I have robbed in space... No one is going to think I'm doing a good play through here. I'm out here robbing people like I live in California.

[Left Wing Destroyed]

Originally posted by Lexx:

So am still not sure if i should buy this
but just to confirm
you cant be really evil like fallout or skyrim ? and im not talking about killing random NPCs or stealing im talking about quest choices with consequences
there is no really evil choices like fallout 3 ?
destroy megaton
sell child to slavery
befriend a family of cannibals and get weekly human meat etc
Pint-Sized Slasher where you kill all the innocents to satisfy sadistic AI
etc

Is this like fallout 4 in that regard you are a goody two shoes no matter what ?

Yeah it’s actually exactly like Fallout 4. The dialogue tree is like this:

Yes
Yes but extra good
Yes after more information
Yes but give me more money

[Bearsuit]

Originally posted by Left Wing Destroyed:

Originally posted by Lexx:

So am still not sure if i should buy this
but just to confirm
you cant be really evil like fallout or skyrim ? and im not talking about killing random NPCs or stealing im talking about quest choices with consequences
there is no really evil choices like fallout 3 ?
destroy megaton
sell child to slavery
befriend a family of cannibals and get weekly human meat etc
Pint-Sized Slasher where you kill all the innocents to satisfy sadistic AI
etc

Is this like fallout 4 in that regard you are a goody two shoes no matter what ?

Yeah it’s actually exactly like Fallout 4. The dialogue tree is like this:

Yes
Yes but extra good
Yes after more information
Yes but give me more money

You haven't played or played very much if this is your take away.

[Pierce No Monitor]

I murdered the entire crew of the first ship i saw parked after leaving the first planet and looted their ♥♥♥♥. are you telling me i cant keep doign this later on?

[Solace]

Originally posted by Erique:

Why is it that a lot of the quests just turns your character into a yes-man that wants to help everyone. Most "evil" dialogue options are just "give me more money". Killing is not a viable option in most cases as a lot of NPC just go into a down state. And now a lot of my quest just sit there incomplete, because I can't be a ♥♥♥♥ and just say no to them or something. At least let me fail the quest for not wanting to be a good guy that agrees to help every single person I pass by.

You make a good argument. It's a little frustrating feeling as though the game is constantly veering you into the path of a saint all while equipping you with the skills of carrying out Terminator raids at whim.

There was one mission where I had the option to either tattle tail on a war criminal, or agree to work with him. I internally chose to keep our business to myself.

But nearly every chance the game gave the dialogue option would give me a choice to lie or spill the beans. Now I'm thinking, I don't care for turning into a snitch or to virtue signal all over the place. I was paid to do a job and keep quiet so that's what I'm gonna do. But I can't be left alone when it comes to being presented the option of running my mouth off.

This sort of forcing the player into adhering to a gum drop lollipop standard all while reminding us that we are galactic lethal machines is insulting to the natural order of things.

[Compy439]

I mean First Contact lest you blow up a long lost colony ship from Earth.....

[MattLat]

Originally posted by Iratus Machina:

You don't have to do the main quest if you don't want to. Could just take the UC missions, get to the Pirate quest, and split from there. Ryujin Industries also seeming kinda gray. Nobody's stopping you from diverting your attention away from the main questline if you so desire.

wait so you cannot play the main plot as a villan?

[Conky]

Originally posted by Bearsuit:

Originally posted by Lexx:

Really evil would be helping the person responsible and having them join your crew

Pretty sure covering up a murder is evil enough.

It's clear that you are not interested in role playing games with extensive freedom of choice.
But some of us are.

[Korinth]

You can basically become a crimson pirate, attack civilians ships, smuggle organs on the black market... well yes you can be evil by asking money, destroy a ship without talking to the persons on it...

Basically right now that last quest I did was the Paradiso, I will spoil all the fun out of it so don't read if you plan to do the game.

It's one where you have three choices to move a civilian ship which flied for 200 years straight and not talked to any outside humans since that, with like 8 generations of humans on it
Those three choices are
- Give them booste s so they can continue to search in space in hope of finding a new world

- Let them become semi work slaves for the corporation living on the planet so they can land

- Take the easy way out and just blow up their entire colonization ship full of civilians with kids, families etc.

Killing everyone on sight in a major city isn't being evil, it's being stupid.

[Humble]

I don't get it, if one playing evil, do you expect people want to work with evil people in future? It's just don't make sense that once people found out how evil person, they wouldn't or won't work with evil person, It's beyond my thinking why person choice to do evil and expect everyone in future work with that person who do evil?

[Conky]

Originally posted by Humble:

I don't get it, if one playing evil, do you expect people want to work with evil people in future? It's just don't make sense that once people found out how evil person, they wouldn't or won't work with evil person, It's beyond my thinking why person choice to do evil and expect everyone in future work with that person who do evil?

Some RPGs manage to deal with evil just fine and the game is a blast. Fallout 1 and 2 are great examples. Even Fable.

[Korinth]

Originally posted by Conky:

Originally posted by Humble:

I don't get it, if one playing evil, do you expect people want to work with evil people in future? It's just don't make sense that once people found out how evil person, they wouldn't or won't work with evil person, It's beyond my thinking why person choice to do evil and expect everyone in future work with that person who do evil?

Some RPGs manage to deal with evil just fine and the game is a blast. Fallout 1 and 2 are great examples. Even Fable.

Sure it's easier to do bad stuff in a wasteland or historic / fantasy world almost empty.

Those games are not set in the future where it's entire connected systems united.
Here if you want to do bad stuff you do it quietly outside the main worlds. Or you smuggle.

[Korinth]

There's others stuff like this but it ain't fun spoiling it.
If you don't want to then don't help people, don't do quests. Or do it like a mercenary who don't give a damn and ask them all of their money.

[Doctor Zalgo]

The real answer is because Bethsoft aren't as good as writing compelling evil choices and factions as obsidian was as FNV.

Caesars legion were fascists sure, but they had actual depth and were actually built out as a credible alternative to the well meaning, but corrupt and inept NCR, rather than just being comic book evil stereotypes.