Remove the Gender stuff at last in the german version

[Chaos234]

Well, the title states everything.
We have this s h i t already on websites, newspapers and so on and nobody wants this anymore and now it's in a game which is in general rely nice but this small little thing within the language variables is a crime. Why must that stuff be in a game ... srsyl? It has no authorization to be even valid in the real world only because a few ppl on that planet are getting mad because they read so often the "masculine" form ... sorry but that is the only true and correct grammar but not that stuff with * or | or - or : or what ever else can be used.

Keep the language at there original grammar instead of destroying it, thanks.

[[Kartell]Captain Data]

Well, the OP has a point.
I'm from Germany as well, so I can understand his concerns.

I don't have that issue as I simply play my games in english language with english text. So now issues here. But, let's put it in other words: what would French ppl do if their government simply starts changing their beloved language just for more so called "gender equal speech"? Bet there's a riot for that on the roads of Paris right now.

C'mon. Language should evolve naturally. All the stuff that had happened especially in the last decade is horrendous. It's not simply "modernizing a language" or something. It's excorcicing it's very soul. And for now good! Even the officials acknowledge there's no support at all for that in the population. 95% of the ppl asked are against artificial changes in our language regarding "gender equal speech". Well, guess if we're all good democrats, we actually should respect the majority, shouldn't we?

I, surely, do.

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by GadafTheGreat:

Yeah ♥♥♥♥ it, every game should just have Mono-gendered aliens and do away with any sort of Penis or Vagina talk just like the Asari from Mass Effect. I'm so tired of people being triggered because of a pronoun option in games. Get over it and go touch some grass if it ruins your day that bad.

How does it truly affect you? YOU DON'T HAVE TO PICK THEY/THEM!!!! OP sounds like she needs to re-evaluate her life.

Its Dey/Demm in German, and actually the Alien thing sounds nice.
Also, why are you so triggered?

[Zengrath]

Originally posted by Chaos234:

Originally posted by Zengrath:

your hate speech is not welcome here. we are not fools. we know this is just another hate speech post in disguise and is no different then someone who posts saying they don't want women in their game or want other races in this game. it actually very much surprises to see a German make a post like this, considering how bad a reputation Germany got during the holocaust I thought you people learned your lessons. so why are you being anti-human rights and spewing this type of hate on a video game forum? All you have to do is elect the way you want to be called in the game and that's it. it's only during character creation that you see this.

Oh, what have we here? Somebody who tries to compare the negative things from the holocaust with gender stuff? Wow ... just Wow.
You must be that kind of a person who thinks that the world get's better when games, news, websites and so on using gender stuff? Do you rely think that this resolve the problems around the world with this stuff? Sorry but this will not resolve these problems. It would be fine if humans would acknowledge other ones also as humans irl but you'll find every time humans who won't.
It's better to remove gender language and instead grep the root irl to form a much better base for every human. Gender should never be a problem, simply accept these ppl irl and everything would be fine.

And yes the world does get better as everyone is exposed to more content that shows all people being treated equally. It's incredibly important for kids growing up with racist and bigoted parents to learn that it's not acceptable and that the lies their parents each them isn't true. It's the only way to break this cycle. What I want to know is why do you have a problem with this? Why are you a racist?

[Zengrath]

Originally posted by Soldner42:

Originally posted by Zengrath:

your hate speech is not welcome here. we are not fools. we know this is just another hate speech post in disguise and is no different then someone who posts saying they don't want women in their game or want other races in this game. it actually very much surprises to see a German make a post like this, considering how bad a reputation Germany got during the holocaust I thought you people learned your lessons. so why are you being anti-human rights and spewing this type of hate on a video game forum? All you have to do is elect the way you want to be called in the game and that's it. it's only during character creation that you see this.

Bro, i hope you are aware that if you Live in Germany, the UK, France, Poland or Israel, it is Illegal to downspeak the Holocaust and People got already in Prison for it. Comparing the Holocaust for example with Animal Farms or in this Case Gender Stuff, will get you in legal Trouble in said Countries.. and for a good reason. So next time before you try to Troll, learn how to Troll. Steam is obligated to give local authorities your Personal Information as stated in Steams ToS.

Thank you for that information but I didn't down speak the holocaust. You may want to read my post again. It's important that we remember what happened so we don't repeat it. And sadly there are a lot of people in America who are trying to repeat it here. If you lived in USA you would know what is happening in our country right now and how people here are actively trying to eliminate other races and sexual preferences and eve women's rights again. I am pro human rights. if you thought otherwise based on my post your mistaken. nothing I said mentioned anything about being against human rights.

[Sean8102]

wont happen.

[Langkard]

Originally posted by forth:

Real English Pronouns are:

Personal Pronouns. I; we; you; he; she; it.
Demonstrative pronouns. they; this; these; that; those.

I blame influence of French pro-structuralism introduced in Western universities in 1970's for the de-constructed mess it has done to standard English.
Bethesda are starting to learn you don't use demonstrative pronouns as personal pronouns. lol

New gender pronouns have been around in English since at least the late 1700's. Use of "they" as a gender neutral pronoun goes back to 1300's. Other gender neutral pronouns in early use include Xe, Ze, Phe, Er, Ou, and ne in newspapers in the mid-1800's.

So, there's that. But, please, do continue.

[[Kartell]Captain Data]

As I saw the words "Human Rights" here ...

There's history repeating over and over and over again. It doesn't start with "12 dark years in Germany", no matter what ppl may think. History's older and comes with a lot of surprises if you give it a try.

Lets say: how much worth is a human life can be simply answered when you check who's making money with sick and dying people. There's no such thing as "Human Rights" if it blocks someone making money from it. Hard lesson learned in the past 3 years. And the "gender stuff"? If people start treating their bodies like they're Avatars of a computer game that simply can switch gender and appearance, they start losing what makes them human: their flaws and traits they were born with.
And a lot of people paid that prize already.

[Fetito Fazzito]

Originally posted by Chaos234:

Well, the title states everything.
We have this s h i t already on websites, newspapers and so on and nobody wants this anymore and now it's in a game which is in general rely nice but this small little thing within the language variables is a crime. Why must that stuff be in a game ... srsyl? It has no authorization to be even valid in the real world only because a few ppl on that planet are getting mad because they read so often the "masculine" form ... sorry but that is the only true and correct grammar but not that stuff with * or | or - or : or what ever else can be used.

Keep the language at there original grammar instead of destroying it, thanks.

STILLGESTANDEN!

Spieler*Innen genießen das Spiel!

[Soldner42]

Originally posted by Langkard:

Originally posted by forth:

Real English Pronouns are:

Personal Pronouns. I; we; you; he; she; it.
Demonstrative pronouns. they; this; these; that; those.

I blame influence of French pro-structuralism introduced in Western universities in 1970's for the de-constructed mess it has done to standard English.
Bethesda are starting to learn you don't use demonstrative pronouns as personal pronouns. lol

New gender pronouns have been around in English since at least the late 1700's. Use of "they" as a gender neutral pronoun goes back to 1300's. Other gender neutral pronouns in early use include Xe, Ze, Phe, Er, Ou, and ne in newspapers in the mid-1800's.

So, there's that. But, please, do continue.

They, Yours and overall the use of refering to one as Third Person was ONLY used for Higher People, as in for example Kings.
Yours Highness. Theirs King.
Same goes for Thee.

Normal Folk never used these. Maybe as a Joke, but never seriously.
Same goes for German btw. There you also use the Third Person for Higher People.
Ihre Majestät for example.

And im not sure, but no one on this Planet has done anything for me to get the resprect to get reffered to as King or Queen except maybe my Mom and my Dad.

[[Kartell]Captain Data]

D'uh, that wasn't what I asked for, seriously.

Well, I like my binary pronouns. "She" and "He". If ppl have trouble with that and need a "They", sure, go ahead. I just don't want to be put in the same lot with them as I'm not troubled with my biological gender. It's the same as my social gender. Speaking of which: social gender is a construct, biological gender is not.

To get back to the game's issue in German language: "Bewerber*innen" (Applicants) is highly offending to read for anybody with a feeling for the language. Tbh, I don't feel adressed by that: I'm a "Bewerber" (male form of applicant). I'm not a "Bewerberin" (female form of applicant). Also, non-binary ppl aren't included in that term. Guess we can't go without discriminating half of all people, right?

[Urist]

>When using Pronouns im adressing the Sex you look like. And you can only look like Female or Male. What you feel has nothing to do with your Looks. Just like your Feels have nothing to do with your Biology.

That is not what the rules in Germany say at all

What can't be used is the weird internal I as well as all the * stuff

There is a third "other" option on official documents and you will be called what it says in your papers (wich can bei one of the 3) they just won't use the weird af way of trying to write with all pronouns at the same time they some try to push

[Nutthulu]

The cult does not approve of your opinion.

[Fetito Fazzito]

Originally posted by KartellCaptain Data:

D'uh, that wasn't what I asked for, seriously.

Well, I like my binary pronouns. "She" and "He". If ppl have trouble with that and need a "They", sure, go ahead. I just don't want to be put in the same lot with them as I'm not troubled with my biological gender. It's the same as my social gender. Speaking of which: social gender is a construct, biological gender is not.

To get back to the game's issue in German language: "Bewerber*innen" (Applicants) is highly offending to read for anybody with a feeling for the language. Tbh, I don't feel adressed by that: I'm a "Bewerber" (male form of applicant). I'm not a "Bewerberin" (female form of applicant). Also, non-binary ppl aren't included in that term. Guess we can't go without discriminating half of all people, right?

Sie werden angesprochen, because it contains "Bewerber". Go and pass German A1 at the Goethe Institut.

[AntonioKingsley]

Seriously, I didn't even notice the pronouns thing until this post. Why do you even care?? It's Bethesda being inclusive. Create your character and move on ya weirdo.

[SickTag]

Germans are really touchy about stuff