Linux users with NVIDIA cards beware!

[WarBaby2]

This game does not work with the current, propitiatory drivers (535.x), only with older ones (up to version 530.x) and even then, those drivers have a bug where the framerate is CPU bound, so it hardly goes over 30fps even on 40 series cards. Valve informed NVIDIA about this, but a fix has yet to emerge...

For more information visit: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/7064

[VadeN]

Escrito originalmente por Fuinelen:

You realize that for games to end up on protondb someone needs to actually enter it, which means that it's either one of the current big titles ( in which case it will be entered very fast) or there are problems with it AND the person who had trouble is really interested of playing that particular game, right?

We don't know that, for all we know they could've also omitted the most games that doesn't work because they find no point in adding it if it doesn't work.

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Escrito originalmente por vadeN:

This statement needs a source.

That's NOT how this actually works. The thing is : I can name you tons of games that runs as good or better in Linux than in Windows and you won't accept it as evidence because 'annectodal' (to be fair "prove that I"m wrong" doesn't really work either, as that, too, would be annecdotal ... but knock yourself off and try it).

I "only" have 898 games here ( and around 400 at GOG, plus a handfull at epic, ea and origin). When I decide to play one of the many games in my backlog I don't even consider the possibility that it might NOT run with proton nowadays. It does still happen of course, even without anticheat, but it's extremely rare, and often switching the version of proton or wine is all that is needed to get everything going again.

Sure you can probably name a good list of games that run well in Linux, but in many cases you still have to make alot of configuring before you can make it run well or if at all.
That problem is not as common in Windows.

Another problem is that you also, as you said, have a long experience with Linux (199X), which is over 20 years.
For the general consumer it won't be as easy to make things run in Linux as it would be for a newbie in Windows.
Of course you could use a Software Manager to download all required DRM and whatnot, but you'll more often than not run into a problem where you'll have to search through forums for 20 lines to write in the terminal only to figure out you don't even have the right dependencies yet, making you need to lookup how to get that first.

And good luck if you happen to get a problem with a driver that has no official support page. Oh boy, the Linux forums is extremely toxic.

For you and me that might not be a problem, but for the general gamer it would be enough to change OS.

[Fuinelen]

(I'm on my phone right now, so a bit more terse answer)

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For the general consumer it won't be as easy to make things run in Linux as it would be for a newbie in Windows.
Of course you could use a Software Manager to download all required DRM and whatnot, but you'll more often than not run into a problem where you'll have to search through forums for 20 lines to write in ...

Actually in almost all cases, all you need to do is install the steam client (which most ( all ?) enduser-friendly distros offer directly in their desktop "software installer", aka package manager), go to settings and enable the compatibility mode once. Everything else from then on is exactly as with windows.

In special cases you might need to change the version of proton, though that is handily done in the game's propriety tab ( just select which version you want from a pull down menu). As I said, proton really got REALLY good in the last 10-24 months, it's just short of miraculous.

[VadeN]

Escrito originalmente por Fuinelen:

(I'm on my phone right now, so a bit more terse answer)

Escrito originalmente por vadeN:

For the general consumer it won't be as easy to make things run in Linux as it would be for a newbie in Windows.
Of course you could use a Software Manager to download all required DRM and whatnot, but you'll more often than not run into a problem where you'll have to search through forums for 20 lines to write in ...

Actually in almost all cases, all you need to do is install the steam client (which most ( all ?) enduser-friendly distros offer directly in their desktop "software installer", aka package manager), go to settings and enable the compatibility mode once. Everything else from then on is exactly as with windows.

In special cases you might need to change the version of proton, though that is handily done in the game's propriety tab ( just select which version you want from a pull down menu). As I said, proton really got REALLY good in the last 10-24 months, it's just short of miraculous.

Except when you want to change the resolution and, oh what is this, the resolution i want to change to is not supported in the GUI so i will have to first learn how xrandr works and which commands i need to input in the terminal before i can play in my prefered resolution.
(Yeah, what we've discussed is just the top of the iceberg).

[Fuinelen]

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Escrito originalmente por Fuinelen:

(I'm on my phone right now, so a bit more terse answer)



Actually in almost all cases, all you need to do is install the steam client (which most ( all ?) enduser-friendly distros offer directly in their desktop "software installer", aka package manager), go to settings and enable the compatibility mode once. Everything else from then on is exactly as with windows.

In special cases you might need to change the version of proton, though that is handily done in the game's propriety tab ( just select which version you want from a pull down menu). As I said, proton really got REALLY good in the last 10-24 months, it's just short of miraculous.

Except when you want to change the resolution and, oh what is this, the resolution i want to change to is not supported in the GUI so i will have to first learn how xrandr works and which commands i need to input in the terminal before i can play in my prefered resolution.
(Yeah, what we've discussed is just the top of the iceberg).

/shrug ... call me when you caught up with the last 10 years ... I can't even remember the last time I had to mess around with xrandr, let alone edited xorg.conf or anything of that order.

[VadeN]

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Except when you want to change the resolution and, oh what is this, the resolution i want to change to is not supported in the GUI so i will have to first learn how xrandr works and which commands i need to input in the terminal before i can play in my prefered resolution.
(Yeah, what we've discussed is just the top of the iceberg).

/shrug ... call me when you caught up with the last 10 years ... I can't even remember the last time I had to mess around with xrandr, let alone edited xorg.conf or anything of that order.

Spoiler, not every distro use Wayland in 2023. Now the bias is showing.

[Sinophile]

Wait, you can do AAA gaming on Linux?

[Lumpsack]

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Escrito originalmente por Red River:

this is AMD game so works best with those GPU/CPU
I'm surprised it can even work on this old OS because it's not listed as supported.
does it have built in dx12 / windows emulator or something?

nah ... Linux is soooooo old, we have *Kilobytes* of mem, but each of us has an entire town to house the vacuum tubes ... it hasn't been updated in decades ...

/facepalm

I knew it, not many linux users will admit to that ;)

[VadeN]

Escrito originalmente por Sinophile:

Wait, you can do AAA gaming on Linux?

You absolutely can. As long as the game doesn't use any anti-cheat and you're willing to accept that you might need to use the terminal to get some things to work.
You might turn in to some problem with drivers aswell depending on your computer but you might be lucky.

[KheL]

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Escrito originalmente por Sinophile:

Wait, you can do AAA gaming on Linux?

You absolutely can. As long as the game doesn't use any anti-cheat and you're willing to accept that you might need to use the terminal to get some things to work.

I have a few that run with easy-anti-cheat normally.
If you are curious to see the games compatible with Proton you can check here:
https://www.protondb.com/
It's very rare to not run a game.

[brian_va]

Escrito originalmente por Sinophile:

Wait, you can do AAA gaming on Linux?

In alot of cases. As mentioned, proton has come a really long way in the past year. I used to rarely buy a game unless there was a Linux port, but with proton that's less of a concern.

It's obviously not perfect, and often there is a hit to performance or stability. Sometimes you'll need to mess with proton tricks to do some tweaking or using custom launch options to smooth things out, but that's certainly the exception,l.

[Fuinelen]

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/shrug ... call me when you caught up with the last 10 years ... I can't even remember the last time I had to mess around with xrandr, let alone edited xorg.conf or anything of that order.

Spoiler, not every distro use Wayland in 2023. Now the bias is showing.

joke's on you ... wayland on nVidia is kind of broken, so I'm still on good old X11

[EmperorPete]

Although this is an old thread, I wanted to quickly mention that with the latest nVidia Vulkan Beta driver (https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver) you can run Starfield with decent performance