AMD graphics are garbage, no full ray tracing, no DLSS, might make this game a PASS

[grimoire]

This game could've been so classic but Bethesda decided to cave to suits/marketing guys and cut a deal with the devil rather than include the most advanced technology available in terms of ray tracing and DLSS.

Yeah, AMD has ray tracing, but it is very very weak compared to Nvidia, so that means the game will most likely only support one type of ray traced effect rather than a full array of them. Using FSR instead of DLSS is almost as bad.

Might go from a definite buy to a total pass.

[Starvey]

Originally posted by raubrey:

Originally posted by KartellCaptain Data:

Well, if you use DLSS / FSR tech without Raytracing, that's true. But it's also true Raytracing is a costly feature, even for a 4090. You can, of course, use RT without DLSS on said 4090 and still get decent framerates, which uses a lot of power. Put together, you get a more power efficient raytracing image upscaled per DLSS3.

However, it comes at cost and that's lower overall image quality.

As I said, I'm not really interested in upscaling images rather than want to see native resolution rendered internally. Performance isn't that much of concern for me as my screen caps at 75hz. Power consumption IS a concern of mine, but I rather would try undervolting + ecomode to achieve similar results without loss of quality.

Not stalking. I promise.

Under-volting is really, really nice with Adrenaline. Just throwing that out there.

Does it works, though (I honestly ask)?
That was a discussion with a friend of mine a few days ago. He just bought his Radeon but it was toasted after a couple of days, so it's all still very speculative for us. And since he's the only person I know who uses AMD GC, I'm still without answers to my many questions!

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by grimoire:

Originally posted by raubrey:

Not everyone wants to pay for NVIDIA's ego and ripoffs.

No issues with AMD here and I have used NVIDIA for 20 years.

(I know this is trolling but some will take it serious).

Look man I just want the most ray tracing possible with today's technology. That is the beginning and end of it. Bethesda doesn't need to play silly games like this and screw over the players by not including a full suite of ray traced effects. This could've been the best game ever, now it won't stand up for even more than a few years because its visuals will look so dated.

you forget a big part..
do you even know how skyrim from orginal can look with mods?.. almost better then garbage raytracing "wich i just like you agree should be in this game, and i love it, but at the same time it Kills fps like hell in big open world games like this if its fully ray traced"...
MODS, my man. Will change the graphics completly in this game, just like in Skyrim.
just give it some time.

[Xan84]

Originally posted by grimoire:

This game could've been so classic but Bethesda decided to cave to suits/marketing guys and cut a deal with the devil rather than include the most advanced technology available in terms of ray tracing and DLSS.

Yeah, AMD has ray tracing, but it is very very weak compared to Nvidia, so that means the game will most likely only support one type of ray traced effect rather than a full array of them. Using FSR instead of DLSS is almost as bad.

Might go from a definite buy to a total pass.

I will admit that its complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that now we are doing exclusive deals with video card producers and not just between platforms (STEAM/EPIC) as well as consoles/PC. Holding features hostage for some extra cash is a big detriment to the customer. I already goth the game because I really want it but man, what's next, no sound unless you but a sound card from a certain company?

[Leylin Archeron]

no one buys amd gpus for a reason, despite nvidia gpu prices

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Leylin:

no one buys amd gpus for a reason, despite nvidia gpu prices

I specifically don't buy Nvidia GPUs because of the price.
(well, and in previous gens, I also avoided them because of their power usage. They seem to have fixed that with the 40** series. But they're still way too expensive.)

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Originally posted by Leylin:

no one buys amd gpus for a reason, despite nvidia gpu prices

I specifically don't buy Nvidia GPUs because of the price.
(well, and in previous gens, I also avoided them because of their power usage. They seem to have fixed that with the 40** series. But they're still way too expensive.)

you get what you pay for. Nvidia is the best.

[Reaper]

Ray tracing only makes sense in a game with lots of lights and reflections to give off a different vibe, this makes sense for cyberpunk 2077. Minecraft with ray tracing also looks nice. If you just add ray tracing to a game that has little lights and reflections it's just a waste of performance and you won't see anything differences.

Look at Rift Apart ray tracing on vs off
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTGg2ld-D4

[Inside Out Ink Demon]

How's the gameplay?

[MrMurdock86]

Get over it, boss. It'll look fine regardless.

[50 Cal]

If they go full amd that might mean they will implement fsr3 when it comes out.

[S☯wn-Lﺤuꁅhtǝr]

ah good I wont need raytracing Tank you for the wonderful information !

[Ork Diktator]

Simp more for Ngreedia, dude. Sacrifice all your money for less value. Last gen RX 6800 beats the 4070 in most games and the RX 6700 XT annihiliates the 4060 for nearly the same price and competes with the 4060 ti instead.

[Inc]

Most people are blind for the truth, while AMD is allowing NVIDEA to render in FSR technology. NVIDEA is not allowing using DLSS for AMD. I belive as soon Nvidea stops with this monopol thinking all games will get bouth supports. I just dont understand why Nvidea is not opening the technology for AMD. Do they fear to loose marketshare?

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Inc:

Most people are blind for the truth, while AMD is allowing NVIDEA to render in FSR technology. NVIDEA is not allowing using DLSS for AMD. I belive as soon Nvidea stops with this monopol thinking all games will get bouth supports. I just dont understand why Nvidea is not opening the technology for AMD. Do they fear to loose marketshare?

Well, part of it is that DLSS requires specific Nvidia hardware to run. As in, specific chip architecture, it's not a general process. That's part of why it "works better".

[grimoire]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Originally posted by Inc:

Most people are blind for the truth, while AMD is allowing NVIDEA to render in FSR technology. NVIDEA is not allowing using DLSS for AMD. I belive as soon Nvidea stops with this monopol thinking all games will get bouth supports. I just dont understand why Nvidea is not opening the technology for AMD. Do they fear to loose marketshare?

Well, part of it is that DLSS requires specific Nvidia hardware to run. As in, specific chip architecture, it's not a general process. That's part of why it "works better".

It doesn't require anything specific other than the ability to do the low precision matrix math in parallel to the rest of what the GPU is doing. This part isn't necessarily patented or unique to Nvidia, but nobody else has it on their GPUs in the PC market. Apple Silicon CPUs have the same kind of "AI" cores. Of course Nvidia chooses not to support any other company's hardware, that's a separate issue from anything about it being unique to Nvidia. Tensor/AI cores are not unique to Nvidia.