PIRATES and TORRENT???

[T.U.R.O.K]

Forgive my bad English.

Dear developers, explain to me WHY buy a regular edition if the game comes out without protection?

I will explain my logic.
The premium edition will be available on September 1. If the game does not have DRM protection, then on the SAME DAY it will appear on pirated torrents!!!!! That is, people who BOUGHT a standard edition will be able to play 5 days later than pirates???!!!

In any case, I bought myself a premium edition, such games are released too rarely, in order to save on them)

[Jacob Locke]

People download torrents for one of 2 reasons. They really want the product but can't afford it. In which case they wouldn't be buying it anyway and the devs lose no money. Or they are just thieves by nature, in which case they wouldn't be buying it anyway and the devs lose no money.

Or are you just upset over the fact that some people will have the game that didn't pay for it like you did? Are you only happy when you have something that your neighbor doesn't?

GOG/CDPR continues to repeatedly prove by example that anti-piracy measures are unnecessary.

[T.U.R.O.K]

Hymzir の投稿を引用：

Because pirates will pirate regardless, and I want a version that will work with the inevitable script extender without hassle, and I want Beth to say in business and do Elder Scrolls 6 by the end of the decade.

So I'm not gonna pirate, don't give a rat's arse if others do, and don't want pointless DRM BS to eat any of my rigs resources.

It is logical then to make the release date for all publications in one day)

[T.U.R.O.K]

sL3nd3rMann の投稿を引用：

Heathy の投稿を引用：

I don't think pirates will get the game first its pretty big, so it'll take a while for most ppl to d/l it over p2p vs downloading the legit game from steam. ppl who do this probably aren't rocking the bestest pcs or the bestest internet.

I for example have 2GBit internet and can download 100GB in 15 min. I does not matter if its on steam, rockstar soft, Ubisoft connect, Origin, GOG galaxy or torrent.

Absolutely, my friend)

[Toonen1988]

A fair question.

Why would you still buy a single-player game and not download it on a torrent site and just play it without paying for it.

First I will explain what software is. Software is intellectual property, which means software is property of the company itself. Which means, if you buy software (in this case a video game), you don't own the game. You only own a user license which means, you don't own the game yourself, instead you are allowed to use their software. That's also a reason why you need to accept terms and agreements.

Downloading a game from a torrent site isn't illegal, if you own a user license to use it. Even if you download a game without user license, it's still not illegal. But if you use the software without user license and use a crack, that's illegal.

Why would people still choose to buy the video game? Simply by the fact that games on torrent site's won't get many patches, are buggy and won't receive new content. Pirated games don't have any support at all.

Another thing is, income for the company itself. If everyone is going to pirate the game, Bethesda will lose a lot of money, which can results in going bankruptcy. Bethesda is a commercialized company with profit in mind. If they don't generate any money, they have to fire people, people lose their jobs, we don't have to except DLC's, expansion packs or even Starfield 2. Other projects might be cancelled aswell.

[Hymzir]

T.U.R.O.K の投稿を引用：

Hymzir の投稿を引用：

Because pirates will pirate regardless, and I want a version that will work with the inevitable script extender without hassle, and I want Beth to say in business and do Elder Scrolls 6 by the end of the decade.

So I'm not gonna pirate, don't give a rat's arse if others do, and don't want pointless DRM BS to eat any of my rigs resources.

It is logical then to make the release date for all publications in one day)

Maybe, but it is not a question of being logical. It's a question of economics, marketing and other sorts of silliness that I don't really care about. Sure, a simple straightforward no BS launch would be nice, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

[Looney]

Sav の投稿を引用：

Are you seriously asking for a DRM that would end up eating resources on your pc? Jesus...

Also, even if the game managed to get pirated, you are going to have a tough time not getting further patches for bug fixing and also, getting the latest mods at places like Nexus (plenty of mod authors would require you to have the latest updated version to run, that means having an official copy instead of a pirated one).

You are wrong if the game has no DRM the pirated patches will appear the instant they show up on steam. Just as they do with BG3 now.

[herbstwerk]

On a long enough time line, every title (worth it to someone) will be cracked/pirated.
The time span between release and crack does shrink with the amount of hype/people interested in it.

Take Hogwarts Legacy as an example, protected by Denuvo which is reportedly about as hard to crack/bypass as it is hated. 13 days. Not even two weeks.
The time, money, and effort implementing it most likely isn't worth the handful of copies sold to people who were able to afford it but didn't want to wait for 'alternative' sources.

Stuff that has anecdotally helped fighting piracy? Delivering a good product. Not treating paying customers like potential criminals by installing protection software that demands kernel level access. Giving customers simple ways to buy the product - optimally easier, safer, and faster than going the piracy route. (e.g. Steam, Game Pass)

tl;dr: Fighting piracy with copy protection schemes is like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for virginity.

[NathanD7]

I would've sailed the seas, but then I remembered this is Bethesda game and I'll buy the game to support them at launch, and I'll need the actual game for mods to work so yeah.

[mcnichoj]

Pirate it and then transfer your save file over to the retail version.
Or ♥♥♥♥ I dunno, do something else for those five days? It's not hard. It's a singleplayer game that isn't going anywhere any time soon. You'll have plenty of time to play the game after it releases.
First world problems.

[T.U.R.O.K]

herbstwerk の投稿を引用：

On a long enough time line, every title (worth it to someone) will be cracked/pirated.
The time span between release and crack does shrink with the amount of hype/people interested in it.

Take Hogwarts Legacy as an example, protected by Denuvo which is reportedly about as hard to crack/bypass as it is hated. 13 days. Not even two weeks.
The time, money, and effort implementing it most likely isn't worth the handful of copies sold to people who were able to afford it but didn't want to wait for 'alternative' sources.

Stuff that has anecdotally helped fighting piracy? Delivering a good product. Not treating paying customers like potential criminals by installing protection software that demands kernel level access. Giving customers simple ways to buy the product - optimally easier, safer, and faster than going the piracy route. (e.g. Steam, Game Pass)

tl;dr: Fighting piracy with copy protection schemes is like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for virginity.

I created a theme not about DRM!
Everyone sees what they want to see) You saw)
I'm talking about the difference between a standard and a premium edition, about different access dates)

[Paraskeet]

"multiple game bans on record"

seems like there is a correlation between people with bans and unsolicited troll-posts.

[T.U.R.O.K]

Heathy の投稿を引用：

doesn't steam hold some data back for the pre-load? I thought they kept some part of the game back to prevent ppl from running it prior to launch. then on launch day you download 100mb or something and that is the part that allows it to actually run. it either this or the preload data could be encrypted and you won't get the key until launch day.

would be a bit of an oversight if they let you download the whole game and launch it 5 days before it actually launches.

Okay, let's say. But will this prevent pirates from posting a premium version on torrents within 24 hours if there is no protection in the game?
Then we return to the topic of my post, namely - people who bought a standard edition will have access to the game later than pirates) Isn't it?

[Voidwarrior]

If you pirate and like it

then BUY IT

You can blow a whole hundred for your own purchase, and then you can buy it for your friends!

The ground will not part, the Daedra of oblivion will not emerge to drag you into the abyss.

Just use a VPN and ad block

[herbstwerk]

T.U.R.O.K の投稿を引用：

herbstwerk の投稿を引用：

On a long enough time line, every title (worth it to someone) will be cracked/pirated.
The time span between release and crack does shrink with the amount of hype/people interested in it.

Take Hogwarts Legacy as an example, protected by Denuvo which is reportedly about as hard to crack/bypass as it is hated. 13 days. Not even two weeks.
The time, money, and effort implementing it most likely isn't worth the handful of copies sold to people who were able to afford it but didn't want to wait for 'alternative' sources.

Stuff that has anecdotally helped fighting piracy? Delivering a good product. Not treating paying customers like potential criminals by installing protection software that demands kernel level access. Giving customers simple ways to buy the product - optimally easier, safer, and faster than going the piracy route. (e.g. Steam, Game Pass)

tl;dr: Fighting piracy with copy protection schemes is like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for virginity.

I created a theme not about DRM!
Everyone sees what they want to see) You saw)
I'm talking about the difference between a standard and a premium edition, about different access dates)

The title of this thread is 'PIRATE TORRENTS', so I assumed you're not talking about Linux distros.

You continue with 'explain to me WHY buy a regular edition if the game comes out without protection?'. What sort of protection other than DRM? Starfield branded condoms with 76 time the pleasure?

If you're stating that people who bought the regular edition will be still waiting while pirates are already playing... then yeah, sucks to have morals I guess. Also there's no way around that without DRM, so you really can't discuss that without mentioning it, no matter if you want to or not.

P.S. Not everyone who bought the standard edition will be sitting in front of their PC on the 6th and hit F5 like it's going out of style.

[FreshRevenge]

To be honest I don't concern myself with pirates or people who steal. Eventually people that do, their luck will run out and they will reap the consequences of their actions.