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Daedrius

Jun 27, 2023 @ 9:47am

DLSS & FSR2 Comparisons

Last edited by Daedrius; Jun 27, 2023 @ 1:51pm

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FeilDOW

Jun 28, 2023 @ 12:42am

Originally posted by OldDamnHero:
I am no PC expert, but I have a Nvidia 3070 and was wondering if a AMD equivalent graphics card would be better to run Starfield on, as I am so hyped for this game that I just want it to run as well as possible.

What resolution is your monitor and the rest of your rigs specs?

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AdahnGorion Jun 28, 2023 @ 7:12am

Originally posted by vackillers:
Originally posted by Chryseus:
It doesn't have RT, so you're unlikely to need DLSS 3 anyway unless you're trying to do something silly like run 4k on a low end GPU.

DLSS 3 works even with a CPU bottleneck, which by the sounds of things, this game is going to be VERY CPU intensive so DLSS 3 would actually be a huge benefit. I think the game might have RT Global illumination but thats speculation from my part.

Originally posted by OldDamnHero:
I am no PC expert, but I have a Nvidia 3070 and was wondering if a AMD equivalent graphics card would be better to run Starfield on, as I am so hyped for this game that I just want it to run as well as possible.

you should be just fine with that but anything newer will obviously make it a better experience for you

This will indeed be a very CPU heavy game and FG is awesome for that. But it wont be in.

#47

TimmyP Jun 28, 2023 @ 8:52am

Starting at 1440p DLSSp (or 1080p DLSSq since they are the "same thing"), DLSS wins in every scenario by a landslide.

Just accept it so we can naturally evolve PC gaming. This is ridiculous. You understand AMD does not deny meme marketing and has plants in every single major forum and subreddit to propagate vram issues and FSR vs DLSS?

DLSS has its own hardware ffs!

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DCid

Jul 3, 2023 @ 10:09pm

Todd literally said the Creation Engine was rebuilt based on AMD hardware as the focus.

This game will run best with FSR because the game engine is built exclusively for it.

No amount of crying from the Nvidia fanbois will change that.

Forcing DLSS on Starfield would most likely produce artifacts and ghosting. It would degrade the graphical fidelity instead of enhancing it.

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Henswi

Jul 3, 2023 @ 11:56pm

Tried FSR and DLSS on TW3 and I have to say FSR looks kinda bad in 1080p and FSR Quality (you can spot it's below the 1080p and the image looks weird), while DLSS looked way better in Quality mode (with just a little sharpness adjustement, it looks almost same as native res).

#50

BEEP!

Jul 4, 2023 @ 12:00am

Originally posted by Henswi:
Tried FSR and DLSS on TW3 and I have to say FSR looks kinda bad in 1080p and FSR Quality (you can spot it's below the 1080p and the image looks weird), while DLSS looked way better in Quality mode (with just a little sharpness adjustement, it looks almost same as native res).

Yea FSR doesn't really do that good at 1080p it holds up a lot better at 1440p and 4K

#51

SophieSkyrim1984 has Starfield

Jul 4, 2023 @ 12:34am

as long as I can play the game. I could care less for either, not into all this DLSS or the FSR2 rubbish, I turn the game on it loads up and I am playing. That to me is a done deal

#52

Wrinkly

Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:40am

Originally posted by DCid:
Todd literally said the Creation Engine was rebuilt based on AMD hardware as the focus.

This game will run best with FSR because the game engine is built exclusively for it.

No amount of crying from the Nvidia fanbois will change that.

Forcing DLSS on Starfield would most likely produce artifacts and ghosting. It would degrade the graphical fidelity instead of enhancing it.

This is simply ignorance. FSR output is garbage when compared to both DLSS and XeSS. This is exactly why AMD use sponsorship/bribe money to exclude superior competing tech, the side by side comparisson. Now no one is saying FSR should be removed. Those with 6.5+ year old GPUs and those who made the mistake of buying AMD GPUs have to rely on the poor Quality FSR option. But those with a modern RTX GPU (2,3 or 4000 series) would choose DLSS due to vastly superior image quality. Those with a modern Intel GPU would choose XeSS again due to vastly superior image quality.

I find it incredible to see PC users challenging the use of modern PC graphics and indeed openly preferring the poor quality provided by AMD GPUs.

"Is DLSS Really "Better Than Native"? - 24 Game Comparison, DLSS 2 vs FSR 2 vs Native" - https://youtu.be/O5B_dqi_Syc
"Nvidia's DLSS 2 vs. AMD's FSR 2 in 26 Games, Which Looks Better? - The Ultimate Analysis" - https://youtu.be/1WM_w7TBbj0
"Can AMD Match Nvidia Yet? - FSR 2.2 vs DLSS 2.4 Analysis" - https://youtu.be/w85M3KxUtJk

What happens when a hardware vendor, AMD, spends their development money bribing developers rather than spending on developing the product? 8% market share and AMD’s Promised Performance-Boosting “HYPR-RX” Technology Misses Launch Schedule - https://wccftech.com/amd-promised-performance-boosting-hypr-rx-technology-misses-launch-schedule/

AMD's HYPR-RX technology is still nowhere to be seen, even though the company pledged an H1 2023 launch. The company also announced FSR 3 "FidelityFX Super Resolution 3" the same day as HYPR-RX but there's no word when it would launch either. One of AMD's biggest sponsored titles, Starfield, only supports FSR 2 which means that until at least Q3 2023, we aren't going to see the new upscaling tech in action.

FSR 3? Do we really need 3rd generation garbage? Come on guys, we should demand better on PC.

Last edited by Wrinkly; Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:46am

#53

Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:45am

this thread is clearly about starfield not having DLSS, but FSR to use, because of the cooperation with AMD. I have not seen any information from bethesda, that the game will not have DLSS. just to say.

#54

Wrinkly

Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:50am

Originally posted by M:
this thread is clearly about starfield not having DLSS, but FSR to use, because of the cooperation with AMD. I have not seen any information from bethesda, that the game will not have DLSS. just to say.

The intention for many, including myself, posting negatively on AMD's exclusivity announcement is to make Bethesda/Microsoft reconsider the inclusion of modern PC tech such as DLSS and XeSS. I wish we could do the same for RT with the result being akin to CP2077's Overdrive option but that would require development time.

#55

Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:53am

Originally posted by Wrinkly:
The intention for many, including myself, posting negatively on AMD's exclusivity announcement is to make Bethesda/Microsoft reconsider the inclusion of modern PC tech such as DLSS and XeSS. I wish we could do the same for RT with the result being akin to CP2077's Overdrive option but that would require development time.

the wish is noble, but whats to achieve in steam game forums for that matter? or said otherwise, I doubt, microsoft/bethesda will read here and say "oh my, what a cool idea!".

Last edited by M; Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:54am

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Wrinkly

Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:56am

Originally posted by M:
Originally posted by Wrinkly:
The intention for many, including myself, posting negatively on AMD's exclusivity announcement is to make Bethesda/Microsoft reconsider the inclusion of modern PC tech such as DLSS and XeSS. I wish we could do the same for RT with the result being akin to CP2077's Overdrive option but that would require development time.

the wish is noble, but whats to achieve in steam game forums for that matter? or said otherwise, I doubt, microsoft/bethesda will read here and say "oh my, what a cool idea!".

Who's restricting the discussion to just Steam? As you can see from the OP that the general tech sites have picked up on this. Social media is alive and well.

PCPer, the old mans podcast, picking up the story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z74xLRhFquU

Last edited by Wrinkly; Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:59am

#57

Jul 4, 2023 @ 3:58am

Originally posted by Wrinkly:
Who's restricting the discussion to just Steam? As you can see from the OP that the general tech sites have picked up on this. Social media is alive and well.

yeah, you are right - the chance is there, but slim, IMO.

#58

wtiger27

Jul 4, 2023 @ 4:59am

Originally posted by Ezeris:
Originally posted by Darkie:

FSR2 is much more unstable as well.. but yes its also very easy to spot that its much more lower quality in terms of the images.

I'm not concerned about Starfield since Nvidia GPUs also use FSR2. Also, in that first set of W3 images DLSS was set at quality while the FSR2 was set at performance. I set them both quality and the game looks nearly identical. Running around in the game I can't tell the difference so... /shrug

I could clearly see the difference between the two in The Witcher 3. Did you have Sharpness set to High? For me, DLSS was very noticeably sharper than FSR. Both where set to Quality.

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Wrinkly

Jul 4, 2023 @ 5:15am

Originally posted by M:
Originally posted by Wrinkly:
Who's restricting the discussion to just Steam? As you can see from the OP that the general tech sites have picked up on this. Social media is alive and well.

yeah, you are right - the chance is there, but slim, IMO.

Perfect timing -

Originally posted by Wrinkly:
AMD leaning Hardware Unboxed - AMD Screws Gamers: Sponsorships Likely Block DLSS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Lcjq2Zc_s

Got to keep up the pressure or else we, as PC gamers, lose out.

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