It seems AMD's upscaling tech FSR does not work well with NVIDIA's GPUs. No DLSS at launch.

[neuronfly]

So we all know that AMD partnered with Bethesda and Microsoft to block Nvidia DLSS upscaling tech in Starfield and now Nvidia card owners will be forced to use FSR. But the major problem is FSR works well only on AMD GPUs. Yes we can enable FSR in Nvidia GPUs too but the performance and image quality is very bad. If you don't believe me then go check it out online. There are lots of articles regarding this issue.

Now you guys might be thinking why is AMD doing this? Why is AMD throwing millions of dollars at Bethesda and Microsoft and blocking Nvidia DLSS? The answer is simple: AMD only has around 12% market share in the GPU industry whereas Nvidia has over 84% market share. But remember that when Nvidia partners with any game developers they never block FSR, unlike AMD. Now tell me who is anti consumer, AMD or Nvidia?

[MrBrightSyde]

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that FSR actually worked better on Nvidia GPUs than on AMD but DLSS still had better results due to it being a hardware solution over software.

Someone correct me if I got anything wrong, my memory is a little hazy on the details

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its not that it doesn't work well, its that it just looks bad compared to its counterpart.

[PopinFRESH]

Messaggio originale di MrBrightSyde:

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that FSR actually worked better on Nvidia GPUs than on AMD but DLSS still had better results due to it being a hardware solution over software.

Someone correct me if I got anything wrong, my memory is a little hazy on the details

That was from Alex Battaglia's (from Digital Foundry) deep dive of FSR2 vs DLSS2.

https://youtu.be/y2RR2770H8E?t=470

More specifically, NVIDIA's cards were faster at doing FSR2; so there was a lower latency penalty comparatively. FSR2 didn't look any better on them and DLSS2 was still much better quality.

[MrBrightSyde]

Messaggio originale di PopinFRESH:

Messaggio originale di MrBrightSyde:

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that FSR actually worked better on Nvidia GPUs than on AMD but DLSS still had better results due to it being a hardware solution over software.

Someone correct me if I got anything wrong, my memory is a little hazy on the details

That was from Alex Battaglia's (from Digital Foundry) deep dive of FSR2 vs DLSS2.

https://youtu.be/y2RR2770H8E?t=470

More specifically, NVIDIA's cards were faster at doing FSR2; so there was a lower latency penalty comparatively. FSR2 didn't look any better on them and DLSS2 was still much better quality.

Thanks for the correction. So FSR2 sucks and DLSS2 is still better, like I thought

[Settings]

Messaggio originale di Henswi:

AMD's answer to Nvidia's DLSS isn't FSR but to block technology with contracts. Furthermore, they decide to block DLSS in one of the most anticipated games, knowing most of us use a Nvidia card, even if some still support AMD by pairing their Nvidia GPU with an AMD CPU.

I'm not entirely sure what kind of advertising is this and how it's beneficial to the AMD brand. If their entire promo consists in just raising the middle finger to us Nvidia customers, I suppose they did great.

They aren't worried about the brand. They think by doing this they're going to force people to shell out for AMD GPUs despite nVidia performing better. Rather than just improve or lower their price point they intend to simply bully their way into a bigger market share.

In reality however all they're doing is encouraging people to mod DLSS into ♥♥♥♥ at faster rates.

[BEEP!]

Messaggio originale di Obsessive Power:

Messaggio originale di Starvey:

Someone corrects me if I'm wrong, but FSR is a software solution and DLSS a hardware one. So FSR should work on any card.

Yes, DLSS is entirely hardware. It's what the Tensor cores of RTX are used for. This is the main reason it's superior. Yes FSR works on any card.

Yep FSR is one of the coolest things to happen to gaming as a whole in a real long time it can be used on all gpus and on consoles and handheld consoles and even can be used on phones.

[Mightylink]

Everyone keeps saying "no dlss" but this is never confirmed anywhere... you guys are all assuming the worst.

[Engels78]

Messaggio originale di Obsessive Power:

Don't know where you've got the idea that FSR only works well AMD cards. It's a software solution, it looks and behaves the same on NVIDIA as it does on AMD. It doesn't produce worse quality on NVIDIA.

Not saying FSR is all great because it's not. DLSS is superior. I'm just saying there is very little gain running FSR on an AMD card.

This. FSR works on ALL GPU MANUFACTURERS! 😛
And here is going to be FSR 2.0.

[Etzlayich]

Messaggio originale di Henswi:

AMD's answer to Nvidia's DLSS isn't FSR but to block technology with contracts. Furthermore, they decide to block DLSS in one of the most anticipated games, knowing most of us use a Nvidia card, even if some still support AMD by pairing their Nvidia GPU with an AMD CPU.

I'm not entirely sure what kind of advertising is this and how it's beneficial to the AMD brand. If their entire promo consists in just raising the middle finger to us Nvidia customers, I suppose they did great.

Agreed. This just made want to never buy AMD products ever again. I have a Ryzen 7 and I just want to throw it against a wall now.

[<S P A C E>]

AMD GPUs?, no thanks. I had an AMD graphics card 4 years ago and it was the worst nightmare you could imagine.

I'd rather not play Starfield than go and buy another GPU from them.

The choice of the company name "Nvidia" could not be better.

Did you know that Nvidia, as pronounced in English, is the same as the word "Envidia" in Spanish (Castilian-Spain) and translates as "envy" in English?. what a coincidence!.

[HeyYou]

Messaggio originale di GAMELLATRIX:

AMD GPUs?, no thanks. I had an AMD graphics card 4 years ago and it was the worst nightmare you could imagine.

I'd rather not play Starfield than go and buy another GPU from them.

The choice of the company name "Nvidia" could not be better.

Did you know that Nvidia, as pronounced in English, is the same as the word "Envidia" in Spanish (Castilian-Spain) and translates as "envy" in English?. what a coincidence!.

Ok, now THERE is an interesting little tidbit. :D Wonder if it was deliberate. :D

[Starvey]

Messaggio originale di _NoX_:

FSR works fine with nVidia cards, wtf are you talking about ?.
Also FSR is highly moddable so you can change it's settings to work better on individual cards. I mean, i can play Cyberpunk with 60FPS on my GTX970 thanks to modded FSR and it looks even better and sharper than game's own AA settings.

That.
The vast majority of players (me, myself and I included) don't wanna bother with modding something like that. I didn't know it was possible and I wouldn't even know where to start... probably a search engine and a forum, you'd tell me :-P).
If it's not out of the box, most people are lost or don't wanna bother. Plug, enjoy your free time playing, not spending it tweaking.

[Starvey]

Messaggio originale di Mightylink:

Everyone keeps saying "no dlss" but this is never confirmed anywhere... you guys are all assuming the worst.

Word is, when AMD sponsors a game, DLSS usualy is "omitted". That's what worrying people, I guess.

[wtiger27]

Messaggio originale di L0WHAWK:

It just means you will need a strong Nvida card. The recommended Nvidia is only a 2060. So I think people are just too up in arms over this. I've always been an AMD processor fan, but never liked their cards, due to always having bad driver issues. I've been a Nvidia player now for 12 yrs. I'm sure this will play fine without needing to upscale. a 2060 as a recommend says it all for me..

Recommended for Nvidia GPU is 2080, Not 2060.

Which of itself is odd matching that card for recommended spec to a 6800XT. Only way it makes sense is if they do have DLSS support.

[UKKN]

Messaggio originale di Obsessive Power:

Don't know where you've got the idea that FSR only works well AMD cards. It's a software solution, it looks and behaves the same on NVIDIA as it does on AMD. It doesn't produce worse quality on NVIDIA.

Not saying FSR is all great because it's not. DLSS is superior. I'm just saying there is very little gain running FSR on an AMD card.

FSR uses FP16 in order to work well AMD has way more FP16 working in FSR if you run out of FP16 the process gets worse because it has to revert to FP32. example 7900XTX has 122.8TFLOPS (2:1) of FP16 and 61.42 of FP32. 4080 48.46 for both FP16 and FP32. hence why nvidia users complain about the visuals.