I've waited 10 years for Star Citizen

[Resolute]

I've waited 10 years for Star Citizen.

Might as well just bite the bullet on Starfield, unlike Star Citizen at least it looks like its coming out before I die.

Hell, Starfield 2 might be out before Star Citizen properly releases!

[breadman]

more like scam citizen

[Resolute]

Originally posted by breadman:

more like scam citizen

I wont argue with you.

[Tenoshii]

Originally posted by Resolute:

Hell, Starfield 2 might be out before Star Citizen properly releases!

That is a very interesting thought.

[Cutter]

i suspect this game will not be like star citizen. This game will be like skyrim in space with very little to do with space. Space is very large and boring, and this game will not show that. If you can create a game that you can travel from point A to point B with very little speedups (fake warp) or loading new areas(loading new areas), than you have a good exploration game (sailing or spaceflight).

I really I am wrong, and this game is a amazing space game.

[ChuTheMan]

Originally posted by Cutter:

i suspect this game will not be like star citizen. This game will be like skyrim in space with very little to do with space. Space is very large and boring, and this game will not show that. If you can create a game that you can travel from point A to point B with very little speedups (fake warp) or loading new areas(loading new areas), than you have a good exploration game (sailing or spaceflight).

I really I am wrong, and this game is a amazing space game.

ofc it wont be like star citizen.
Starfield will actually be a game, not just a front to earn money by selling overpriced ships

[darkholyPL]

I feel bad for anyone that has actually spend money on Scam Citizen.
They might have wanted to make a game at one point, but once they figured out they can make A LOT more money just selling ideas and promises to people instead of shipping the game, it was over.

[diMaggio]

I'm just trying to imagine how over 500 million USD will ever justify what Star Citizen will turn out to be on release (if that day ever comes).
The bang to buck ratio will probably be abysmally small compared to other games that cost only a fraction of money *and* time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Star Citizen to do well, but it's kind of a "Duke Nukem Forever" kind of situation by now. Except that you have early access.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by diMaggio:

I'm just trying to imagine how over 500 million USD will ever justify what Star Citizen will turn out to be on release (if that day ever comes).
The bang to buck ratio will probably be abysmally small compared to other games that cost only a fraction of money *and* time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Star Citizen to do well, but it's kind of a "Duke Nukem Forever" kind of situation by now. Except that you have early access.

Other games have cost close to that amount of money though. Destiny's marketing and development costs totaled right around $500 million.

Also, Witcher 3 probably would've cost more than that if CDPR paid their developers more than the equivalent of like $20k USD a year.

[diMaggio]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by diMaggio:

I'm just trying to imagine how over 500 million USD will ever justify what Star Citizen will turn out to be on release (if that day ever comes).
The bang to buck ratio will probably be abysmally small compared to other games that cost only a fraction of money *and* time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Star Citizen to do well, but it's kind of a "Duke Nukem Forever" kind of situation by now. Except that you have early access.

Other games have cost close to that amount of money though. Destiny's marketing and development costs totaled right around $500 million.

Also, Witcher 3 probably would've cost more than that if CDPR paid their developers more than the equivalent of like $20k USD a year.

That's why I factored time into it as well.
Not every game has cost this much money *and* took that long and then turned out great on release.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by diMaggio:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Other games have cost close to that amount of money though. Destiny's marketing and development costs totaled right around $500 million.

Also, Witcher 3 probably would've cost more than that if CDPR paid their developers more than the equivalent of like $20k USD a year.

That's why I factored time into it as well.
Not every game has cost this much money *and* took that long and then turned out great on release.

To be fair they also haven't spent all of the money they've received so it actually hasn't cost that much yet, I believe their financial data for 2022 showed they had a little over $60 million in reserves. Destiny was in development as early as 2009 though (there are Destiny easter eggs hidden in Halo 3 ODST) and was an incredibly simple game compared to where Star Citizen is at right now and cost nearly $500 million total.

[diMaggio]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

To be fair they also haven't spent all of the money they've received so it actually hasn't cost that much yet, I believe their financial data for 2022 showed they had a little over $60 million in reserves. Destiny was in development as early as 2009 though (there are Destiny easter eggs hidden in Halo 3 ODST) and was an incredibly simple game compared to where Star Citizen is at right now and cost nearly $500 million total.

I don't know much about Destiny's development cycle, it's not really my type of game.
But thanks for the info and that's fair enough.
Though can't say that gives me any more confidence that Star Citizen is ever going to amount to anything that would catch my excitement as much as Starfield does.

If Star Citizen ever achieves everything it set out to do and I'm still alive, then maybe I'll give it a try. But the problem with long development cycles is that you'll eventually need to update everything or technologies will eventually be outdated.
And working the codebase over to include new technologies can use so much resources (especially more time), that it can be a never-ending spiral of development.

I guess only time will tell, but I fear the amount of time it will take is the biggest problem.

[Donaldo Trumpado]

Star citizen is a scam. Sorry, but that's the truth. Elite Dangerous has delivered almost everything Star Citizen said it would on a shoestring budget

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by diMaggio:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

To be fair they also haven't spent all of the money they've received so it actually hasn't cost that much yet, I believe their financial data for 2022 showed they had a little over $60 million in reserves. Destiny was in development as early as 2009 though (there are Destiny easter eggs hidden in Halo 3 ODST) and was an incredibly simple game compared to where Star Citizen is at right now and cost nearly $500 million total.

I don't know much about Destiny's development cycle, it's not really my type of game.
But thanks for the info and that's fair enough.
Though can't say that gives me any more confidence that Star Citizen is ever going to amount to anything that would catch my excitement as much as Starfield does.

If Star Citizen ever achieves everything it set out to do and I'm still alive, then maybe I'll give it a try. But the problem with long development cycles is that you'll eventually need to update everything or technologies will eventually be outdated.
And working the codebase over to include new technologies can use so much resources (especially more time), that it can be a never-ending spiral of development.

I guess only time will tell, but I fear the amount of time it will take is the biggest problem.

Yeah, it definitely still remains to be seen if they can come close to their original vision for Star Citizen but they are absolutely doing their best. The game is updated regularly and they put a lot of effort into videos showing upcoming features and content, more-so than any other studio I've ever seen. They actually did build a lot of the underlying tech to still be able to stand up to AAA games a few years from now though, that was one of their goals from the start.

They're also developing a single player game alongside SC but it's a more story driven game than Starfield will be.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Donaldo Trumpado:

Star citizen is a scam. Sorry, but that's the truth. Elite Dangerous has delivered almost everything Star Citizen said it would on a shoestring budget

It also shows that E:D cut a lot of corners. Odyssey was an abysmal failure that ruined their reputation. It's essentially a dead game at this point, having killed the consoles versions and Frontier has moved most of the dev team over to their other titles.

It could also be said that Star Citizen does nearly everything Elite does and it's still an alpha

[Donaldo Trumpado]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Donaldo Trumpado:

Star citizen is a scam. Sorry, but that's the truth. Elite Dangerous has delivered almost everything Star Citizen said it would on a shoestring budget

It also shows that E:D cut a lot of corners. Odyssey was an abysmal failure that ruined their reputation. It's essentially a dead game at this point, having killed the consoles versions and Frontier has moved most of the dev team over to their other titles.

But it still got released. And I had LOTS of fun in ED. Star Citizen is billion dollar vaporware at this point