7900 XTX better than 4090?

[Cuddle Bunny!]

With this being an AMD there is a great chance that the 7900 XTX will out perform even the way more expensive 4090. Here is example of an AMD game far cry 6

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-tuf-oc/19.html

[herbstwerk]

Originally posted by Rhila:

ray tracing is bad in most games. like in battlefield games its ugly like mirrors everywhere.
only good in few games. like 2 or 3 games.
and 40% more performance in ray tracing in 3 games for double the price is a bad deal.

Funny how you ignore any arguments where you'd loose, no matter how much you'll cherry pick. Let me repeat: Gaming isn't the only use case. There are other games.

But hey, keep calling people stupid redditors like you're a higher being and people should feel insulted. Continue your holy war against people who have needs or a value judgment that differs from your obviously superior one.

[Rhila]

Originally posted by herbstwerk:

Originally posted by Rhila:

ray tracing is bad in most games. like in battlefield games its ugly like mirrors everywhere.
only good in few games. like 2 or 3 games.
and 40% more performance in ray tracing in 3 games for double the price is a bad deal.

Funny how you ignore any arguments where you'd loose, no matter how much you'll cherry pick. Let me repeat: Gaming isn't the only use case. There are other games.

But hey, keep calling people stupid redditors like you're a higher being and people should feel insulted. Continue your holy war against people who have needs or a value judgment that differs from your obviously superior one.

what argument? 7900XTX is 200% faster than 2080TI, your argument not even possible even if you Photoshop the benchmarks.
and now you are talking about cherry picking, i wasn't cherry picking, this thread about Starfield and the game doesn't support ray tracing.
you are talking about Blender, you are the one who cherry picking.
Blender that app made to compare Nvidia cards between each others, very wrong to use it outside Nvidia.
the best way is to look at video games performance, if you are not a fan boy/girl.
or maybe you own Nvidia stocks that's why you do these misinformation here.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

The 4090 is twice as fast with RT enabled. You've been given the numbers, it's time you figured out what they actually mean.

The 4080 is 40% faster than the 7900XTX with RT enabled.

4080 is 10% faster in ray tracing and slower with no ray tracing.
even Nvidia will disagree with your numbers from Nvidia subreddit fanboy club.

You can lie all you want, you'll still be wrong.

4090:
1440p: 97.8fps
4K: 53.5fps

4080:
1440p: 71.3fps
4k: 36.7fps

7900 XTX:
1440p: 52.8fps
4K: 26.1fps

52.8 * 1.4 = 73.9fps (meaning the 4080 is just under 40% faster with RT enabled at 1440p)
52.8 * 1.85 = 97.7fps (meaning the 4090 is just over 85% faster with RT enabled at 1440p)

26.1 * 1.4 = 36.6fps (meaning the 4080 is just over 40% faster with RT enabled at 4K)
26.1 * 2 = 52.2fps (meaning the 4090 is more than twice as fast with RT enabled at 4K)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

The numbers don't lie, you do.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by herbstwerk:

Newsflash: Starfield isn't the only game on this platform and gaming isn't the only use case for a high end GPU.

E.g. Blender in GPU mode. 7900XTX barely beats a 2080TI and it would take ~3½ of them to beat a 4090.

ray tracing is bad in most games. like in battlefield games its ugly like mirrors everywhere.
only good in few games. like 2 or 3 games.
and 40% more performance in ray tracing in 3 games for double the price is a bad deal.
7900XTX is faster than 4080 by a lot, and it has more VRAM. 7900XTX 24GB VRAM and 4080 only 16GB VRAM, don't listen to Nvidia subreddit.

If by "a lot" you mean roughly 5% on average then sure, the 7900 XTX is "a lot" faster than the 4080 when ignoring RT, where the 4080 is roughly 40% faster lol

Native 4K:
Radeon RX 7900 XTX: (93.0fps)
GeForce RTX 4080: (88.7fps)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

Interestingly, the 7900 XTX is far less power efficient than the 4080, using 20% more power to provide 5% better performance

[herbstwerk]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by herbstwerk:

Funny how you ignore any arguments where you'd loose, no matter how much you'll cherry pick. Let me repeat: Gaming isn't the only use case. There are other games.

But hey, keep calling people stupid redditors like you're a higher being and people should feel insulted. Continue your holy war against people who have needs or a value judgment that differs from your obviously superior one.

what argument? 7900XTX is 200% faster than 2080TI, your argument not even possible even if you Photoshop the benchmarks.
and now you are talking about cherry picking, i wasn't cherry picking, this thread about Starfield and the game doesn't support ray tracing.
you are talking about Blender, you are the one who cherry picking.
Blender that app made to compare Nvidia cards between each others, very wrong to use it outside Nvidia.
the best way is to look at video games performance, if you are not a fan boy/girl.
or maybe you own Nvidia stocks that's why you do these misinformation here.

This thread might be about Starfield in particular, still you argue over and over that a 4090 is generally a bad purchase, like there's no other reason to even buy a GPU.

And here's you misinformation, straight from opendata.blender.org:

Device:                    Median Score:
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090	     13120.92
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX	      3818.75
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT	      3416.91
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 TI    3323.35

Source: https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?compute_type=OPTIX&compute_type=CUDA&compute_type=HIP&compute_type=METAL&compute_type=ONEAPI&blender_version=3.6.0&group_by=device_name

Of course I've cherry picked the worst offending performance, I'm trying to make a point after all, but it's absolutely not the only one where AMD GPUs bite the dust. If all you use your box for is gaming, all you look at is game benchmarks. Obviously. If you also run productivity oriented, there are other metrics.

P.S. Since you're seemingly not able to perform a simple Google search, and enjoy to spew forth useless assumptions or guess what it is: Blender isn't some benchmark that prefers NVidia over AMD, it's probably the largest open source and free 3D modeling, rendering, and animation software package. It's basically hardware/OS agnostic and supports RDNA/Metal/CUDA/... under Linux/OSX/Windows.

Click here if you want to know more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(software)

[Rhila]

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Rhila:

4080 is 10% faster in ray tracing and slower with no ray tracing.
even Nvidia will disagree with your numbers from Nvidia subreddit fanboy club.

You can lie all you want, you'll still be wrong.

4090:
1440p: 97.8fps
4K: 53.5fps

4080:
1440p: 71.3fps
4k: 36.7fps

7900 XTX:
1440p: 52.8fps
4K: 26.1fps

52.8 * 1.4 = 73.9fps (meaning the 4080 is just under 40% faster with RT enabled at 1440p)
52.8 * 1.85 = 97.7fps (meaning the 4090 is just over 85% faster with RT enabled at 1440p)

26.1 * 1.4 = 36.6fps (meaning the 4080 is just over 40% faster with RT enabled at 4K)
26.1 * 2 = 52.2fps (meaning the 4090 is more than twice as fast with RT enabled at 4K)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

The numbers don't lie, you do.

can't take this site seriously, in one charts 6900XT is faster than 7900XTX excuse me?
and they don't show the games, very sus.

in other legit sites like Techpowerup, 4080 is faster than 7900XTX by 10% in ray tracing games, and slower 10% with no ray tracing.
and 4080 has almost half the VRAM 16GB Vs 24GB, and more expensive who want to this miserable deal??
i will not recommend 4080 even to my enemy, no sense to buy it over 7900XTX.

Originally posted by patrick68794:

Originally posted by Rhila:

ray tracing is bad in most games. like in battlefield games its ugly like mirrors everywhere.
only good in few games. like 2 or 3 games.
and 40% more performance in ray tracing in 3 games for double the price is a bad deal.
7900XTX is faster than 4080 by a lot, and it has more VRAM. 7900XTX 24GB VRAM and 4080 only 16GB VRAM, don't listen to Nvidia subreddit.

If by "a lot" you mean roughly 5% on average then sure, the 7900 XTX is "a lot" faster than the 4080 when ignoring RT, where the 4080 is roughly 40% faster lol

Radeon RX 7900 XTX: (93.0fps)
GeForce RTX 4080: (88.7fps)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

do you know why i said a lot? because AMD drivers always boost the performance for their old cards, so 7900XTX will be much faster than 4080 in the future.
but Nvidia are nasty with their updates for older cards they intentionally reduce the performance for previous gen to make them run slower so their customers will be forced to upgrade, so 7900XTX now is 10% faster and in the next year will be 30% faster or even more.
because AMD updates will gain 15% more performance and Nvidia updates will lose 15% performance.

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by patrick68794:

You can lie all you want, you'll still be wrong.

4090:
1440p: 97.8fps
4K: 53.5fps

4080:
1440p: 71.3fps
4k: 36.7fps

7900 XTX:
1440p: 52.8fps
4K: 26.1fps

52.8 * 1.4 = 73.9fps (meaning the 4080 is just under 40% faster with RT enabled at 1440p)
52.8 * 1.85 = 97.7fps (meaning the 4090 is just over 85% faster with RT enabled at 1440p)

26.1 * 1.4 = 36.6fps (meaning the 4080 is just over 40% faster with RT enabled at 4K)
26.1 * 2 = 52.2fps (meaning the 4090 is more than twice as fast with RT enabled at 4K)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

The numbers don't lie, you do.

can't take this site seriously, in one charts 6900XT is faster than 7900XTX excuse me?
and they don't show the games, very sus.

in other legit sites like Techpowerup, 4080 is faster than 7900XTX by 10% in ray tracing games, and slower 10% with no ray tracing.
and 4080 has almost half the VRAM 16GB Vs 24GB, and more expensive who want to this miserable deal??
i will not recommend 4080 even to my enemy, no sense to buy it over 7900XTX.

Originally posted by patrick68794:

If by "a lot" you mean roughly 5% on average then sure, the 7900 XTX is "a lot" faster than the 4080 when ignoring RT, where the 4080 is roughly 40% faster lol

Radeon RX 7900 XTX: (93.0fps)
GeForce RTX 4080: (88.7fps)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

do you know why i said a lot? because AMD drivers always boost the performance for their old cards, so 7900XTX will be much faster than 4080 in the future.
but Nvidia are nasty with their updates for older cards they intentionally reduce the performance for previous gen to make them run slower so their customers will be forced to upgrade, so 7900XTX now is 10% faster and in the next year will be 30% faster or even more.
because AMD updates will gain 15% more performance and Nvidia updates will lose 15% performance.

Lol all you have to do is scroll down to see the games... Tom's Hardware is one of the most reputable and well known PC review/benchmark sites around.

You're just making more things up. Performance stays roughly the same for both manufacturers as drivers mature, which is why the 3080 is still faster than the 6800XT at 4K.

[Rhila]

enough for me talking tech i feel very geeky, goodnight.

[HeyYou]

Originally posted by Rhila:

enough for me talking tech i feel very geeky, goodnight.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. :)

[herbstwerk]

Originally posted by Rhila:

do you know why i said a lot? because AMD drivers always boost the performance for their old cards, so 7900XTX will be much faster than 4080 in the future.
but Nvidia are nasty with their updates for older cards they intentionally reduce the performance for previous gen to make them run slower so their customers will be forced to upgrade, so 7900XTX now is 10% faster and in the next year will be 30% faster or even more.
because AMD updates will gain 15% more performance and Nvidia updates will lose 15% performance.

So what you're saying is that AMD aren't capable of writing good drivers and their software team needs a couple of years to catch up to their silicon?

Btw., I have a 3070 sitting in my secondary box, it's encoding x265 just as fast as it was the day I bought it.

Originally posted by HeyYou:

Originally posted by Rhila:

enough for me talking tech i feel very geeky, goodnight.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. :)

Tell 'em, Steve-Dave!

[patrick68794]

Originally posted by HeyYou:

Originally posted by Rhila:

enough for me talking tech i feel very geeky, goodnight.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. :)

It's definitely not a bad thing that they're done talking about this lol

[Dr. Peppermill]

Originally posted by Rhila:

why anyone want to buy 4090 for 40% better performance in ray tracing for double the price when the game Starfield doesn't support ray tracing?? this is Starfield not CB2077.

Do you think people make decisions about their hardware based on a single game ? LOL

Originally posted by patrick68794:

If by "a lot" you mean roughly 5% on average then sure, the 7900 XTX is "a lot" faster than the 4080 when ignoring RT, where the 4080 is roughly 40% faster lol

Sure. And when ignoring frame generation, DLSS, Reflex and all other features that AMD can't implement.

[ralph1628]

60fps for me. Don't need 200 + fps.
Some folks have OCD with fps.
Either card is fine.

[_APA [~sudo]]

Originally posted by Halcyform:

AMD has been a mess for a long time.

still is - https://steamcommunity.com/app/1716740/discussions/0/3807281160975628735/

[Witski]

Originally posted by APA.minds _REDUX:

Originally posted by Halcyform:

AMD has been a mess for a long time.

still is - https://steamcommunity.com/app/1716740/discussions/0/3807281160975628735/

Amd is not accounted for user error.