Why does this look like one of these games that overpromise and underdeliver to me

[zokuva]

I mean it looks fine but for some reason I think this game will disappoint

[Mastah]

1. The dev promises X
   
2. The journalist understand 2X
   
3. They write an article talking abut 3X
   
4. The subreddit only reads the title of the article and they get convinced about 4X
   
5. The second journalist reads the subreddit and writes about 5X
   
6. The game releases with 1/2 X to 2X
   
7. Everyone gets mad because the Devs lied and didn't include the promised 8X
   
8. Anyone trying to point this cycle out gets downvoted to Hell.
   
9. Years later the Meme is that the devs promised 100X, people repeating it even go as far as to link the original "dev promises X" interview, without noticing that they never promised more than X

[Mexicola9302]

Fallout 4 didn't dissapoint and Skyrim also didn't dissapoint. So why so negative?

Sure the story in FO4 was a bit annoying but else it was fine. And we all know the DB story, i mean some liked it and some didn't. I liked both games and it doesn't look like SF will dissapoint me. At least not atm. You can't judge a book by the cover or the summary on the backside, you have to read it first.

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

it might be a big pile of poo but the likelyhood of it being dingo kidneys is less than it being solid albeit flawed in a few places.

[Mastah]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Fallout 4 didn't dissapoint and Skyrim also didn't dissapoint. So why so negative?

Sure the story in FO4 was a bit annoying but else it was fine. And we all know the DB story, i mean some liked it and some didn't. I liked both games and it doesn't look like SF will dissapoint me. At least not atm. You can't judge a book by the cover or the summary on the backside, you have to read it first.

Fun thing is, I was disappointed by FO4, to the point I prefer FO76 to it by a wide margin.
With FO4 Bethesda seem to have forgot the main selling point of their own games, the sandbox nature. I never really care for none of their main quests, it's the "side content" that sells their games to me. The wondering around and doing random stuff.

But it's clear they got the message with Starfield.

[vonbleak]

I think it comes down to expectations and hype... Only take on board what has been officially shown and make up your own mind... Some people are pumping this up to be the greatest game ever and making claims (assumptions) that have no basis in reality...

The trick is, dont make any assumptions and only accept what has been shown officially then make up your own mind... I think it looks great, but i know when im expecting and i think its much more realistic than what some others are expecting...

The same thing happened with CP2077, bugs aside, people were expecting the best game ever that would revolutionise the gaming industry, they made assumptions and did not keep up with official updates/news, the results were that many people were disappointed and claimed CDPR lied and broke promises and all sorts of BS...

What i saw with CP2077 was a game like Deus Ex set in an open world, so thats what i was expecting and thats pretty much what we got so i was happy...

Point is dont make any assumptions and dont have unrealistic expectations and you will be just fine...

[Mexicola9302]

Originally posted by Mastah:

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Fallout 4 didn't dissapoint and Skyrim also didn't dissapoint. So why so negative?

Sure the story in FO4 was a bit annoying but else it was fine. And we all know the DB story, i mean some liked it and some didn't. I liked both games and it doesn't look like SF will dissapoint me. At least not atm. You can't judge a book by the cover or the summary on the backside, you have to read it first.

Fun thing is, I was disappointed by FO4, to the point I prefer FO76 to it by a wide margin.
With FO4 Bethesda seem to have forgot the main selling point of their own games, the sandbox nature. I never really care for none of their main quests, it's the "side content" that sells their games to me. The wondering around and doing random stuff.

But it's clear they got the message with Starfield.

I liked FO76 too, but Starfield can be better compared to FO4 and Skyrim because it's SP only.

[Mastah]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

I liked FO76 too, but Starfield can be better compared to FO4 and Skyrim because it's SP only.

Talking about the more sandbox nature. FO4 is built around its main quest, it's story-driven in a way 76, but even Skyrim and previous games aren't.
Starfield looks like its going to be more sandbox too, to the point that the Main quest seem to have taken the backseat in all the marketing.

"Oh, yeah, we have a main quest too... Anyway, have you seen this ship builder? And the Factions? And this pile of sandwiches?"

I like that, the main quest is just one of the quests, and almost certainly far from the best.

[Mexicola9302]

Originally posted by vonbleak:

I think it comes down to expectations and hype... Only take on board what has been officially shown and make up your own mind... Some people are pumping this up to be the greatest game ever and making claims (assumptions) that have no basis in reality...

The trick is, dont make any assumptions and only accept what has been shown officially then make up your own mind... I think it looks great, but i know when im expecting and i think its much more realistic than what some others are expecting...

The same thing happened with CP2077, bugs aside, people were expecting the best game ever that would revolutionise the gaming industry, they made assumptions and did not keep up with official updates/news, the results were that many people were disappointed and claimed CDPR lied and broke promises and all sorts of BS...

What i saw with CP2077 was a game like Deus Ex set in an open world, so thats what i was expecting and thats pretty much what we got so i was happy...

Point is dont make any assumptions and dont have unrealistic expectations and you will be just fine...

I was only dissapointed the lifepaths barely mattered, that Act 1 one was too short and that the AI was so bad that it didn't feel like a city. But they made the AI behaviour much better, but they obviously can't just extend Act 1 and make huge changes to the story so the lifepaths matter. In general i liked the game, i didn't have ultra high expectations, i just wished it would have felt a bit more like a GTA in the future. The AI is still the biggest flaw and the cars still don't handle very well. But else i really like the game yeah.

Maybe Cyberpunk 2 will be better, it will also use UE5. I mean that Matrix tech demo looked very promising. A shame it won't be released for at least another i don't know maybe 8-12 or so years. They first need to work on the new Witcher game for a loooong time.

[Mexicola9302]

Originally posted by Mastah:

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

I liked FO76 too, but Starfield can be better compared to FO4 and Skyrim because it's SP only.

Talking about the more sandbox nature. FO4 is built around its main quest, it's story-driven in a way 76, but even Skyrim and previous games aren't.
Starfield looks like its going to be more sandbox too, to the point that the Main quest seem to have taken the backseat in all the marketing.

"Oh, yeah, we have a main quest too... Anyway, have you seen this ship builder? And the Factions? And this pile of sandwiches?"

I like that, the main quest is just one of the quests, and almost certainly far from the best.

Well you could sandbox a lot in Fallout 4 too, with the Settlement building.

[ChuTheMan]

one of the major issues, that i have said multiple times, is that people always begin to assume all sort of features and mechanics thats not even been confirmed to be ingame.
People really need to see the game for what it is and actually listen to what IS confirmed about the game.

[Mastah]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Well you could sandbox a lot in Fallout 4 too, with the Settlement building.

Not as much as a Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3 though, and that's the crux of the matter. I've finished the main quest in Skyrim only once, and never in Oblivion or FO3, I always get off at some point to play all the side stuff, I liked both the Brotherhood and the Thieves guilds quests of Skyrim and Oblivion way more than any other story in their games. The Etherium wars quest-line, the Dawnguard one.
I liked those more, Fallout 4 felt like it was missing all of that, the main quest was "in the way" of everything, each faction epic ending was the ending for the game.

[Mexicola9302]

Originally posted by Mastah:

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Well you could sandbox a lot in Fallout 4 too, with the Settlement building.

Not as much as a Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout 3 though, and that's the crux of the matter. I've finished the main quest in Skyrim only once, and never in Oblivion or FO3, I always get off at some point to play all the side stuff, I liked both the Brotherhood and the Thieves guilds quests of Skyrim and Oblivion way more than any other story in their games. The Etherium wars quest-line, the Dawnguard one.
I liked those more, Fallout 4 felt like it was missing all of that, the main quest was "in the way" of everything, each faction epic ending was the ending for the game.

Fallout 4 also had it's good moments. I mean the Cait sidequest storyline was interesting and Curie too. But i know what you mean. I think it also had something to do with that the player character had a voice and all that. It couldn't feel like a classic Bethesda game in the first place, it was more going into the direction of a Witcher game, but with a story that can't get nowhere nearly as good like the TW3 story.

I am glad the protagonist in SF isn't voiced, so it will feel like a classic RPG again.

[Sparhawk122]

Originally posted by zokuva:

Why does this look like one of these games that overpromise and underdeliver to me

Highly likely it is one of those games. Too many red flags and similar issues that Redfall had. Like capped 30 FPS and AMD sponsorship. The visuals are hardly improved over Fallout 4 and yet they can't get a performance mode working for the "most powerful console in the world". Imagine how bad it will run on PC. Latest AMD sponsored games also include Star Wars Jedi: Survivor and we all know how bad that is on PC. Also has no DLSS or XeSS options.

And this being a new gen only game it may not even support common features like ultrawide support. These developers are completely incompetent and yet people continue shilling for them.

They can't even get ground vehicles working because of Creation engine limitations.

[Mastah]

Originally posted by Mexicola9302:

Fallout 4 also had it's good moments. I mean the Cait sidequest storyline was interesting and Curie too. But i know what you mean. I think it also had something to do with that the player character had a voice and all that. It couldn't feel like a classic Bethesda game in the first place, it was more going into the direction of a Witcher game, but with a story that can't get nowhere nearly as good like the TW3 story.

I am glad the protagonist in SF isn't voiced, so it will feel like a classic RPG again.

It's not just the voiced character, it's also the "they've kidnapped your son" storyline that's way too personal, they've basically thrown the "blank slate character" out of the window with it, you're not your own character anymore, you're a parent searching for their missing kid.

But, to be honest, the audience was asking for that, it's the same year of TW3, and that game was praised for how story-driven it was and for its fixed character. That was the trend at the time, just like simplifying and streamlining the "RPGness" of games was the trend back in Oblivion, but also Fallout 3 and Skyrim times, now the market is going in a different direction. Nobody is going to buy Starfield for how story-driven it is, and all points towards complexity are going to play in Bethesda's favor.

Fallout 4 wasn't a bad game at all, I've enjoyed my 60 or so hours of it, it's a good game, but a bad Bethesda RPG.

[Loth Crow]

Originally posted by zokuva:

I mean it looks fine but for some reason I think this game will disappoint

And what reason would be this?