This vs Star Citizen

[SecondSon]

does any1 know what kind of gameplay will starfield gives to us? will it be similar to star citizen? because i think star citizen has the best open world space simulator metaverse thing to date.

[kyew]

Messaggio originale di Icedfate:

well, i just watched a YT video. the guy was going to "buy the biggest ship in the game", because he "lost" his other one. apparently, you can lose everything you have ifmyou die in star citizen, so yeah, it's one of those "hardcore loot other players after you kill them and everyone is out to kill you grief you and take your stuff pvp mmos" that all the "1337" players gush about and say "these are the best games, the only ones should play!".


i'll admit, the game looks beautiful. really nice outer space looks and stuff.

the guy started the video explaining about how he lost all his stuff and was going to buy more, but also that he had committed crimes in the game and that he had to be extra super careful, because he was trying to wipe away his criminal record and if he got caught by the authorities , it was going to send him to in game prison for 18 hours of real time

and apparently, because he was a criminal, his location was being broadcast to all the other players for them to go and try to collect a bounty on him and he was trying to get to a satellite to hack it and jam the signal but when he tried to get close, 10 ships loaded with missile turrets tried to get him and he was like "oh crap, those guys can kill me in 1 hit, i have to run away"
and then he had to try to land on a planet and go into a structure to hack the database in there to wile away his criminal record and he said "this is gonna be really hard, because there's like 10 guys in there and i have to kill them all" and he's trying to sneak around and snipe the enemy guards and he killed like 6 of them and then suddenly, one he didn't notice runs up and kills him in 1 hit. . and then he lost everything and got sent to the in game prison. . .

but then, it was only a 5 hour sentence, so i dunno where he got the idea that it was 18 hours. . and then he said, i can do "hard labor" in the mines to reduce my sentence and then he goes in and mines for an hour and then trades in all the ore to reduce his sentence and then it only reduced it by like, an hours. . and he's like, oh crap, now i gotta do that 2 more times. .

i didn't actually finish the video.
i have mixed feelings, because the game is really pretty looking, but that gameplay loop just sounds like a recipe for sheer frustration and futility and that way lies madness.
so again, Star Citizen? no thanks.

the irony here is that when this game releases, if it needs more than 8 gig of ram, i'm gonna have to wait to play it anyway, until i buy my next big computer upgrade which might not be for several years from now

I don't know what video you watched, but when he said "lose everything", I don't think he meant what you think he meant.

If you die in SC right now, you lose whatever was in your ship inventory and personal inventory. Guns, ammo, medical pens, armor, etc., but none of that is expensive. You don't lose any ships, whether you bought them in game or with cash. The only way you can lose in game bought ships is through a wipe or a bug. And they generally try to get you your ship back if it's gone through a bug. The same goes for aUEC - the in game money. Unless you make stupid decisions like buying something and selling it for less than you paid for it, you can only lose in game money through a wipe or a bug. Difference is they won't even try to get your aUEC back if you lose it through a bug.

The prison loop is real though. Commit criminal acts and you get a crime stat. Commit enough of them and your crime stat level increases. What that guy didn't know though is you can take missions while in prison that drastically reduce the time you spend in there. Mining rocks is the worst way to spend your time in prison, and generally only new players take that route. You can actually escape from prison, though it doesn't remove your crime stat.

The system reqs for SC are pretty steep. I have a Ryzen 7 1700, RX 5700XT, and 32 gigs of RAM, and it runs fairly well. I'm not top tier or anything, but I get 60+ fps in unpopulated areas and at least 30 in populated areas, and that's with the game on the highest settings. My CPU is my bottleneck, as the game uses your CPU more than your GPU at this point in development. Putting your graphics settings to the highest actually makes it run better, since it causes the game to shift some of the load off your CPU to your GPU. It's also very advisable to have it installed on a SSD too. I started the game four years ago with it installed on a HDD and it was torture.

As far as if you buy ships right now with cash, you'll keep them when the game releases - a perk for supporting the development, same as most other games. But it's hardly p2w when people who never supported the game before release can buy the exact same ship with in game currency. I suspect they'll have cosmetic stuff you can buy after release, though they haven't said anything about that to my knowledge. And it's entirely possible that they'll change their minds and allow ship sales to continue after release. But right now they say they won't.

It's a tough game to learn, and there's not much of a tutorial in game right now. Things change so often they just gave up trying to keep people informed on what's new and such. But the community is great and generally very helpful. If you ever get those upgrades, keep an eye out for a freefly week and jump in for free and try it out. They usually happen at the beginning of the year (around Feb, Mar) and at the end (around Nov). They'll have a lot of ships to fly for free and you can play for free too.

[Icedfate]

i watched 2 videos.
one titled "i bought the biggest ship in star citizen" and the other titled "i tried to play star citizen so you don't have to"
i admit, i may have formed an opinion too early,
soo. . .the $1100 ship purchase is more like a "Kickstarter backer reward"?
i saw all the purchase options and was immediately turned off by it, thinking it was gonna be just an eve online clone, but then people are comparing it to no man's sky. . .

in the end, if you need a beefy computer like that, then i'm out by default. I still have to finish greedfall, witcher 3, kingdom come. . .

[vonbleak]

Messaggio originale di Icedfate:

i watched 2 videos.
one titled "i bought the biggest ship in star citizen" and the other titled "i tried to play star citizen so you don't have to"
i admit, i may have formed an opinion too early,
soo. . .the $1100 ship purchase is more like a "Kickstarter backer reward"?

Correct... Its for those who want to directly help fund the development - totally optional...

[Michael Cimino]

Messaggio originale di Icedfate:

i watched 2 videos.
one titled "i bought the biggest ship in star citizen" and the other titled "i tried to play star citizen so you don't have to"
i admit, i may have formed an opinion too early,
soo. . .the $1100 ship purchase is more like a "Kickstarter backer reward"?
i saw all the purchase options and was immediately turned off by it, thinking it was gonna be just an eve online clone, but then people are comparing it to no man's sky. . .

in the end, if you need a beefy computer like that, then i'm out by default. I still have to finish greedfall, witcher 3, kingdom come. . .

SC is similar to Eve in that SC is already looking old compared to new tech in games, and that they are heavily focused on a pay2win and pay2play mmo style. SC is similar to No man's sky in that development of features is half finished and poorly thought out and much dev time is spent continually remaking what they already worked on. Despite there being similarities, in the end, no other game scammed half a billion out of people and took (is taking) 15+ years to develop and finish, so it's in a category all its own.

[Sel Und Irae]

How is that conversation still going.

Bruh moment

[kyew]

Messaggio originale di Sel Und Irae:

How is that conversation still going.

Bruh moment

For the people who are actually conversing, it's going pretty well. Nice and civil-like.

For the person who is still lying and pushing a fantasy vendetta against a video game, not so well.

[Centisteed]

I'm really hoping there is more than just a story. I expect to play Starfield for the next 10 years. I expect them to add additional sectors, and of course they can put in stories, but I want to be around to fly around and look at stuff too.

[👁]

i spent about $3K of money to upgrade my computer just to play it. And it is worth it

[Core]

This is a game that will be released.
Star citizen is a broken promise, a lie, a 400+ million USD robbery from 11.12.2015. Squared by Squadron 42. In which all player accomplishments so far will be erased in a week by the regular excuse for lack of content, namely the database wipe.

[👁]

Messaggio originale di Core:

This is a game that will be released.
Star citizen is a broken promise, a lie, a 400+ million USD robbery from 11.12.2015. Squared by Squadron 42. In which all player accomplishments so far will be erased in a week by the regular excuse for lack of content, namely the database wipe.

You do know that the game was in develop together with player you know.
And ya it took so many years to make, because they want to make everything is interactable, so it take time to do it

[Core]

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⎠⎞:

Messaggio originale di Core:

This is a game that will be released.
Star citizen is a broken promise, a lie, a 400+ million USD robbery from 11.12.2015. Squared by Squadron 42. In which all player accomplishments so far will be erased in a week by the regular excuse for lack of content, namely the database wipe.

You do know that the game was in develop together with player you know.
And ya it took so many years to make, because they want to make everything is interactable, so it take time to do it

Let's clarify this first... Go to their forums, spectrum, discord. SC is "STILL" under development. SQ42 is postponed. There are bugs and crashes that have an unknown ETA for a fix.
There is no game called Star Citizen. It is a software with over 400 million USD budget, still under development after 12 years, that is using players with limited lifetime as its testers for free.
This will be a game, hopefully. And it currently has a delivery date and most possibly will be finished in my good time.

[Core]

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⎠⎞:

Messaggio originale di Core:

Let's clarify this first... Go to their forums, spectrum, discord. SC is "STILL" under development. SQ42 is postponed. There are bugs and crashes that have an unknown ETA for a fix.
There is no game called Star Citizen. It is a software with over 400 million USD budget, still under development after 12 years, that is using players with limited lifetime as its testers for free.
This will be a game, hopefully. And it currently has a delivery date and most possibly will be finished in my good time.

Ok, then hows Cyberpunk and Battlefield 2042?

What do those have to do with these 2?

[Core]

Messaggio originale di kyew:

Messaggio originale di Core:

Let's clarify this first... Go to their forums, spectrum, discord. SC is "STILL" under development. SQ42 is postponed. There are bugs and crashes that have an unknown ETA for a fix.
There is no game called Star Citizen. It is a software with over 400 million USD budget, still under development after 12 years, that is using players with limited lifetime as its testers for free.
This will be a game, hopefully. And it currently has a delivery date and most possibly will be finished in my good time.

Yes, let's clarify this.
Squadron 42 is not postponed.

You are a liar and here is the proof:
https://www.eurogamer.net/star-citizens-squadron-42-beta-delayed-three-months-to-q3-2020
I can provide many more than that but I really don't have the time.

[Core]

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⎠⎞:

Messaggio originale di Core:

What do those have to do with these 2?

To show that even AAA studio can also broke promise

Yeah, they did get what they deserved. Did they not? I mean with the amount of reviews, I didn't even have to buy the 2042. And I wrote my share of reviews on 2077. Just as I am doing on SC now.

[👁]

Messaggio originale di Core:

Messaggio originale di ⎛⎝( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⎠⎞:

To show that even AAA studio can also broke promise

Yeah, they did get what they deserved. Did they not? I mean with the amount of reviews, I didn't even have to buy the 2042. And I wrote my share of reviews on 2077. Just as I am doing on SC now.

Do you Play SC or even own SC?