Dune: Imperium

Dune: Imperium

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alexreichline 2023 年 11 月 16 日 下午 10:13
Why are the cards in your hand cut off?
It seems like there is plenty of space to see the entire card. Who are we hiding the information from? I'd like to not have to constantly hover over each card over and over to calculate persuasion and conflict (I know I can hover over Reveal - but why do I want to keep doing that). Seeing the bottom of every card at a glance makes the most sense.
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Elzheiz 2023 年 12 月 5 日 下午 4:57 
引用自 Victorious Secret
I think people are severely underestimating the amount of space displaying the whole card for each card in hand would take. More screen area can't just be created. It has to come from somewhere.
Sure, you only start with 5 cards each turn, but you can draw a fair amount as you play, especially in late game. The UI would have to account for times when you have 10+ cards in hand. They'd have to be displayed from top to bottom, and be large enough that any text on them can be read. This would most likely take up the bottom half of the whole play area.
In order to make space for the cards, everything else would have to get much smaller. With the other things on screen, the locations would probably only be 1/4th of the screen area, making it hard to play agents to the locations without occasionally missing and hitting the wrong one. Either that or text on anything not a card gets so small it's hard to read

Both answers before mine are the key. There's really no point in displaying the ENTIRE cards constantly. Persuasion is calculated for you in the top right of the screen, and swords are easy enough to figure out, and chances are you'll know what your cards are with just the top of them after you've seen them a few times.
Sure they can add an option for it, but I fully agree with their decision not to make it the default. Just look at Tabletop Simulator, you don't see your cards in their entirety constantly. You won't be looking at them constantly either, it will just obstruct the view.
最後修改者:Elzheiz; 2023 年 12 月 5 日 下午 4:58
The Selfish Meme 2023 年 12 月 5 日 下午 10:45 
引用自 geddon2
Question: When you play this game, or any card game, in real life - do you play with your cards placed neatly face-up in front of you, with the whole of every card visible at all times? Or do you fold your cards into a pile and keep that face-down in front of you, occasionally picking it up to look at it from time to time? If the latter, then how is the current UI any different from the "real life" experience?

Why even compare real board game to a digital game? Digital has its advantages. Or maybe let's make players shuffle the deck manually in the digital game, because it's no worse than a real game?
The Selfish Meme 2023 年 12 月 9 日 上午 1:24 
About TTS: if you move you cursor to the lower part of the screen, the cards will be shown in full, plus you can always see them in your player area in full:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3109348654

And in Dune there is plenty of space on the sides, and if you move the conflict panel a bit higher there will be space to show the cards in full:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3109350477
soochsooch 2023 年 12 月 10 日 上午 10:35 
Other than adding in the expansions this is the biggest change that needs to happen. I don't need to see that card's art, I need to see their effect. This the the most important information I need to see and the game is cutting it off for no reason. Shrink the skirmish window, shrink the player summary, shrink anything, but I NEED to know what all the cards in my hand do.

This will become a bigger and bigger deal with the expansions and their more complicated cards.

It would also be good if the imperium row summary showed what the cards did, instead of showing the irrelevant card art.
Spectral B4dger 2023 年 12 月 10 日 上午 10:59 
Personally I don't want to look at a board full of writings: I would find that pretty boring and ugly and while having an option to show the cards in hand in their entirety might be ok, I wouldn't ever touch the Imperium Row.

Regarding the Art being "irrelevant" I highly disagree with that cause that's how memory retrieval works > after you've played a few games you know what "bottom part" effects a card has because your brain has linked that effect to the art that appears on that card.

Another thing is that we've mouse hover which happens with like 0.2s delay so I mean... is not that you're not moving your pointer around the screen, no?

Lastly, there are other games who used the cropped version for cards, like Wingspan for example.
soochsooch 2023 年 12 月 11 日 下午 3:09 
I can't think of any situation where I'd want to look at my cards one at a time instead of just seeing all the information all at once.

I would look at Aeon's End as a good example of how to show cards. They cut off a bit of the art in favor of showing you what you need. And even the market cards have symbols showing a shorthand description of how the card can be used. You can review the entire board state without moving the mouse around reading one card at a time.
Mina 2023 年 12 月 15 日 下午 3:23 
found this discussion, cutting cards off is super frustrating and not user-friendly! there is enough space to show them all!
esbenmf 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 8:20 
+1 to show it all.
Branoic 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 4:28 
-1 to showing all. I like the current implementation.
toddtreadway 2023 年 12 月 31 日 上午 4:45 
+1 to showing the entire cards...give the option to not show them...I don't see any controversy in this.

Also, someone asked whether, when playing the physical game, you keep your cards on the table and occasionally look at them. I think most players, once they have used a card holder, either one that sits on the table or a handheld one that fans the cards, would pretty much all agree it helps with situational awareness and their enjoyment of the game. In all seriousness, if you haven't tried it, you should.
spike2071 2023 年 12 月 31 日 上午 7:56 
引用自 Branoic
-1 to showing all. I like the current implementation.

+1 to this -1. :)

As long as it's an option, I don't care. But I like the cleaner feel of not seeing the entire card.
toddtreadway 2023 年 12 月 31 日 上午 9:40 
An option is all I'd ask...that way both sides can be happy!
dan.lesley 2024 年 1 月 17 日 下午 8:06 
totaly agreee! one of the first things I noticed
Brynwall 2024 年 3 月 27 日 下午 8:26 
+1
Attackmack 2024 年 3 月 29 日 上午 3:32 
It really should be an option to have the full cards visible, I agree.

That said, it doesnt take many games before you start to know the icons of most cards.
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