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Fluffy Jan 28, 2023 @ 6:45am
empty open world?
This is an honest question to all of you complaining that the world is empty, I genuinely want to know what you think is lacking, what you think is missing and what you compare this too.

Because i find it to be a vastly rich open world, with a large world, a lot of enemies moving around wherever you go. Labyrinths and landmarks all over the place, even open world bosses and other stuff to do. Times challenges with score reward in many different ways.

But i want to know others opinion and not just get an "its empty" without any explanation.

Lets please have a civil discussion about this like normal people and not troll/harass others.
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Originally posted by Xengre:
What the game lacks is unique events in the open that are unexpected (and I don't mean nightmares or basic mutants guarding a chest). Unfortunately, devs dug themselves a massive hole when they came up with a story that pretty much involved the apocalyptic last stand with a barren inhospitable world that is so deadly it prevents virtually any exploration for 99+% of the world. This means you wont interact with people generally while out and about in unexpected or unique situations both at random (or designer placed) or via quests that start out being given somewhere like a hub and then later performed in the wild. The racial limitations and other lore issues further limit this, whether humans or not.

The game really doesn't need a bunch of mere padding low quality quests but actual interesting flavored activities that aren't overly repetitive. It is interesting how the item situation was handled and I agree that it isn't ideal, not just because limited but the associated systems make it feel even less rewarding for quite a few reasons really such as investment, weak value reward vs alternatives, crafting advantages, etc.


Originally posted by ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦:
Play Witcher 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2, Skyrim, Fallout and you will see the difference. The worlds are huge, plenty of places to explore and find new things. This game doesn't have anything.
Never played RDR2 but Witcher 3's was awful. Due to how the loot system is designed it actually is extremely anti-exploration because if you do quests or explore early you permanently lock yourself out of good loot as its forcibly downgraded to low level stuff. You basically have to do the quests at the very end of the game. Plus, the loot design also makes the rewards equally uninteresting to Forspoken. Its not unique or rewarding tbh, even at late game. As for Witcher 3's quests and open world activities... mostly awful. They got some cooler ideas like preparing for a few better developed quests but, in truth, even those quests are pretty mundane. Probably says something when I find Xenoblade Chronicle's (original) 600+ quests more engaging, despite being often repetitive, due to world design, interesting NPC results/recruitment and dialogue (better than Witcher 3's for sure), vision preemptive completion mechanic, etc.

Fallout's are cool, though I do feel the world is too disconnected overall and excessively barren despite doing some stuff correct. I'd like to have seen Forspoken at least go more in Fallout's direction. Too bad Bethesda has trash tier programmers who can't check their scripts and you run high odds of permanently breaking your game/saves/quest chains due to critical bugs unless you use a strategy guide specifically telling you how not to break the game (yup, bethesda games have such a thing that is how badly programmed they are). Skyrim's is, of course, a buggy Bethesda mess as well. I'm sure they've gradually improved years later but its sad it takes years and you can still find critical bugs. I feel Skyrim's is less well designed than Fallout's and Skyrim wastes too much time on local hub quest design and really freaking boring quests/dialogue. Its still better than Forspoken's though unless played in the first 2-3 years after release due to how tedious its bugs are.
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SimpleMinded Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:03am 
Looks like a game for 10 year olds with 10 year old graphics actually i have seen better graphics on 20 year old games
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Kamikaze$X-GEN$ Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by TheInfamous:
Originally posted by Kamikaze$X-GEN$:
Well I would say because all the different games had more to towns and life. Simply because they had a world that was still alive. On the other hand Forspoken was full of dead.
The world lays in ruin and only few really were alive. You had no place to really feel safe other than Cipal. Forspoken feels empty because nothing beautiful really remained.
All the Safehouses was only you and the familars that you can find. I guess thats why people felt it was empty. And I need to agree it felt empty from life. But its because thats how the setting is.
I never hear people calling Metro Exodus or any other open world title that doesn't have a bunch of towns people walking around all over the place empty. I think people are just looking for excuses to hate on the game, as most of the hate comes from people who don't even own the game and maybe only played the demo. And most of the hate coming from those that do own the game is due to their lackluster PC specs.
I think so too. But its a reason to not like a open world game.
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Kamikaze$X-GEN$ Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:09am 
Originally posted by Toxicwukong:
Looks like a game for 10 year olds with 10 year old graphics actually i have seen better graphics on 20 year old games
nope the graphics are great. With that said, you can believe whatever you want. There is no meaning arguing with people here everyone has his clear stand. Hate it or love it. Today people like you are obviously easy on the hate wagon. Toxicwukong that name is obviously meant to provoke. Anyway servus take care.
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Swamp Fox Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:21am 
Originally posted by TheInfamous:
Originally posted by Kamikaze$X-GEN$:
Well I would say because all the different games had more to towns and life. Simply because they had a world that was still alive. On the other hand Forspoken was full of dead.
The world lays in ruin and only few really were alive. You had no place to really feel safe other than Cipal. Forspoken feels empty because nothing beautiful really remained.
All the Safehouses was only you and the familars that you can find. I guess thats why people felt it was empty. And I need to agree it felt empty from life. But its because thats how the setting is.
I never hear people calling Metro Exodus or any other open world title that doesn't have a bunch of towns people walking around all over the place empty. I think people are just looking for excuses to hate on the game, as most of the hate comes from people who don't even own the game and maybe only played the demo. And most of the hate coming from those that do own the game is due to their lackluster PC specs.

Metro Exodus isn't actually open world. People (frequently developers) conflate "large map" with open world. isn't the same thing
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Henry Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:31am 
Where is it empty are you blind lol
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Wyvernclaw Jack Jan 28, 2023 @ 11:47am 
Originally posted by James:
Where is it empty are you blind lol
You can literally run for solid five min of parkouring and see nothing but rock and stone. Just YT "forspoken open world" and it's basically parkour in Conan Exiles.
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Sciophyte Jan 28, 2023 @ 12:00pm 
It depends on your expectations, I guess. Just because I don't trip over a monster or every few steps doesn't mean the world is empty, at least not to me.
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Wyvernclaw Jack Jan 28, 2023 @ 12:08pm 
Originally posted by Sciophyte:
It depends on your expectations, I guess. Just because I don't trip over a monster or every few steps doesn't mean the world is empty, at least not to me.
Don't think anyone meant the monsters. It's just that it's a bland rocky landscape most of the time. Or a sandy rocky landscape. Or a barren rocky landscape.

They made it big to give value to the parkour, but they just didn't have the ability to put in meaningful stuff around. There's a reason parkour games usually don't do open world. Or they put a stamina limit on it like Breath of the Wild. Check out Fenyx Rising for good story and good open world.
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TheInfamous Jan 28, 2023 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by Patrick Swayze's Ghost:
Originally posted by TheInfamous:
I never hear people calling Metro Exodus or any other open world title that doesn't have a bunch of towns people walking around all over the place empty. I think people are just looking for excuses to hate on the game, as most of the hate comes from people who don't even own the game and maybe only played the demo. And most of the hate coming from those that do own the game is due to their lackluster PC specs.

Metro Exodus isn't actually open world. People (frequently developers) conflate "large map" with open world. isn't the same thing
Metro Exodus is what is referred to as a hub-based open world. But even titles like Fallout, Death Stranding, and Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West don't have scores of towns people roaming through the open wasteland yet I never see people calling these titles "empty".
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ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦 Jan 28, 2023 @ 1:42pm 
Metro is not an open world game lol, the maps are way smaller than Fallout or Skyrim.
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Swamp Fox Jan 28, 2023 @ 1:59pm 
Originally posted by TheInfamous:
Originally posted by Patrick Swayze's Ghost:

Metro Exodus isn't actually open world. People (frequently developers) conflate "large map" with open world. isn't the same thing
Metro Exodus is what is referred to as a hub-based open world. But even titles like Fallout, Death Stranding, and Horizon Zero Dawn/Forbidden West don't have scores of towns people roaming through the open wasteland yet I never see people calling these titles "empty".

Probably because all those games are full of more interesting things than Forspoken.

The idea that user criticism is false just doesn't work. People have criticized it for being empty and it's visibly empty on video. Fallout might not have NPCs wandering around all over but you can't go 100 feet without tripping over some kind of hand made point of interest. From what I've seen of Forspoken, 80% of the game looks like desert assets hastily plunked down with no function.
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TheInfamous Jan 28, 2023 @ 2:03pm 
Originally posted by ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦:
Metro is not an open world game lol, the maps are way smaller than Fallout or Skyrim.
Metro Exodus has a hub-based open world. It's literally listed as an "open world" title here on Steam. Not being as large as Fallout, Skyrim, or any other open world titles doesn't magically stop it from being an open world game.
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Swamp Fox Jan 28, 2023 @ 2:12pm 
Originally posted by TheInfamous:
Originally posted by ᴛᴀʟᴜ 🐦:
Metro is not an open world game lol, the maps are way smaller than Fallout or Skyrim.
Metro Exodus has a hub-based open world. It's literally listed as an "open world" title here on Steam. Not being as large as Fallout, Skyrim, or any other open world titles doesn't magically stop it from being an open world game.

Someone calling something something doesn't mean it is something.
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DreamCore.SwE Jan 28, 2023 @ 2:15pm 
The world feels completely dead. There are no real side quests or NPCs but just groups of enemies here and there. It's also littered with the same type of repetitive "optional" content that you find in most bland open world games such as towers to disover the map, chests, challenges to get new gear etc. After leaving the city to kill the first Tanta, the distance to get there was significant but there were absolutely no story before reaching the castle. The only thing you do is this repetitive content over and over. There is absolutely nothing original about this game. It's the most bland open world game imaginable, even worse than the majority of Ubisoft games. The world is just big for the sake of being big. Compare this to Elden Ring or Horizon which actually have intersting content but doesn't ask you to do the same thing 100 times, and which makes good use of the world. The team that made Forspoken also made FF15 which also is a huge bland open world without anything interesting to do. This type of design is really dated. I'd pick a smaller dense world with interesting content over a huge empty world littered with repetitive content any day.
Last edited by DreamCore.SwE; Jan 28, 2023 @ 2:23pm
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TheInfamous Jan 28, 2023 @ 2:23pm 
Originally posted by Patrick Swayze's Ghost:
Originally posted by TheInfamous:
Metro Exodus has a hub-based open world. It's literally listed as an "open world" title here on Steam. Not being as large as Fallout, Skyrim, or any other open world titles doesn't magically stop it from being an open world game.

Someone calling something something doesn't mean it is something.
Didn't you just "call something something"??? I guess your rules only apply to others.
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