Steam Deck vs ROG ally in terms of modding

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

All of my favorite games on PC are heavily modded. I know you can dual-boot SD with windows but it's still a hassle (and might have some stability issues from what I read), so originally I thought I would just exclusively play the non-modded games on the Deck.

But then I learned about ROG Ally that comes with Win 11, so that would mean I can just start modding and using hooks, dll etc. Plus with the ROG ally, I can more easily play games using other launchers.

So just curious, owners of SD, do you mod your games? How's the experience over all?

[invision2212]

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Originally posted by Drak3:

Let us know if you end up returning it. It's not even remotely uncommon for either the Legion Go or Ally to be returned.

LMAO for real XD? Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, if something is wrong with the hardware, can I returned an opened product to Best Buy?

Yes you can. I believe it’s 15 days for open items to be returned.

[invision2212]

You made the right choice OP.

Here’s some dying light footage I took earlier at 15-16w that outperforms the steam deck easily while not even breaking a sweat in temperature.

https://youtu.be/X_MF3EHN3gI?si=7_gYgijZzhd816XH

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by Prezidentas:

The biggest issue with Z1E and similar is lack of trackpads, which renders more games unplayable than Linux lol

That's nonsense. You don't need trackpads to play games.

[Prezidentas]

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Originally posted by Prezidentas:

The biggest issue with Z1E and similar is lack of trackpads, which renders more games unplayable than Linux lol

I play 95% of my PC games with a DS5 controller, which also doesn't have a trackpad, so that isn't an issue.

Well, good luck with your new purchase!

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Prezidentas:

The biggest issue with Z1E and similar is lack of trackpads, which renders more games unplayable than Linux lol

That's nonsense. You don't need trackpads to play games.

Why the sudden excuses for the lack of basic handheld features?

[Makakken Boitjen]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Prezidentas:

The biggest issue with Z1E and similar is lack of trackpads, which renders more games unplayable than Linux lol

That's nonsense. You don't need trackpads to play games.

You do since the majority of PC games do not have native controller support and the official slogan on ASUS's website reads as follows:

#playALLYourgames

https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds-group/

All your games? Not on a ROG handheld that's for sure, you can't play a single mouse + keyboard supported game.

If only.. there was a device.. that had touchpads..

[Drak3]

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Originally posted by Drak3:

Let us know if you end up returning it. It's not even remotely uncommon for either the Legion Go or Ally to be returned.

LMAO for real XD? Let's just say, hypothetically speaking, if something is wrong with the hardware, can I returned an opened product to Best Buy?

Yes, you can. There is a time limit, but it is returnable. Also, hardware issues is not one of the main reasons they have a high return rate. The main reasons are insanely bad battery life, not great software (Legion Space and Armory Crate SE), or the fact that Windows 11 is a horrible OS for a handheld or tablet (It's far worse than Win 8 or 10)

Some things to know if you bought an Ally:
The SD Card reader WILL fail.
Batteries in ASUS products tend to lose 20-30% faster than other devices.
There is a good chance that if you need to warranty it, ASUS will try to force you into a costly repair that isn't needed.

Oh, and Windows 11 is going to be updated with an "AI" feature that will record EVERYTHING you do.

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by Makakken Boitjen:

Originally posted by ?legit:

That's nonsense. You don't need trackpads to play games.

You do since the majority of PC games do not have native controller support and the official slogan on ASUS's website reads as follows:

#playALLYourgames

https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds-group/

All your games? Not on a ROG handheld that's for sure, you can't play a single mouse + keyboard supported game.

If only.. there was a device.. that had touchpads..

This is outright false. I have been blatantly accused of lying, while you are the ones who make such bold claims.. ? The other guy claimed you need to trackpads to play (lmao), now you say you can't play a single m+k supported game...

You can play ANY game and you can customize it in the steam controller settings, and simply output your controller as a mouse. This hasn't to do anything with steamOS, this is a feature of STEAM, which means you can do this on any device. You have access to the exact same controller settings as you have on steamOS.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Makakken Boitjen:

You do since the majority of PC games do not have native controller support and the official slogan on ASUS's website reads as follows:

#playALLYourgames

https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds-group/

All your games? Not on a ROG handheld that's for sure, you can't play a single mouse + keyboard supported game.

If only.. there was a device.. that had touchpads..

This is outright false. I have been blatantly accused of lying, while you are the ones who make such bold claims.. ? The other guy claimed you need to trackpads to play (lmao), now you say you can't play a single m+k supported game...

You can play ANY game and you can customize it in the steam controller settings, and simply output your controller as a mouse. This hasn't to do anything with steamOS, this is a feature of STEAM, which means you can do this on any device. You have access to the exact same controller settings as you have on steamOS.

I thought a complaint about the Deck was literally it being clunky to use.

Yet, you're saying "just setup the controller" when the Deck has trackpads for the mouse as a default. Oh, that's beautiful.

[Makakken Boitjen]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Makakken Boitjen:

You do since the majority of PC games do not have native controller support and the official slogan on ASUS's website reads as follows:

#playALLYourgames

https://rog.asus.com/gaming-handhelds-group/

All your games? Not on a ROG handheld that's for sure, you can't play a single mouse + keyboard supported game.

If only.. there was a device.. that had touchpads..

This is outright false. I have been blatantly accused of lying, while you are the ones who make such bold claims.. ? The other guy claimed you need to trackpads to play (lmao), now you say you can't play a single m+k supported game...

You can play ANY game and you can customize it in the steam controller settings, and simply output your controller as a mouse. This hasn't to do anything with steamOS, this is a feature of STEAM, which means you can do this on any device. You have access to the exact same controller settings as you have on steamOS.

Wait wait wait.. you're actuall talking about emulating mouse support using analog thumbsticks?

Do you have any idea how ackward and nonfuctional that is to use? You'll be constantly be overshooting your target with zero precision.

Just because you can configure it to do something doesn't mean you should.

The fact still stands that ROG ally has no decent m+kb replacement, the steam deck does with it's double touchpads which have excellent precision.

What's really worrysome is the amount of time you invest into propagating false information on the steam deck forums.

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by Makakken Boitjen:

Originally posted by ?legit:

This is outright false. I have been blatantly accused of lying, while you are the ones who make such bold claims.. ? The other guy claimed you need to trackpads to play (lmao), now you say you can't play a single m+k supported game...

You can play ANY game and you can customize it in the steam controller settings, and simply output your controller as a mouse. This hasn't to do anything with steamOS, this is a feature of STEAM, which means you can do this on any device. You have access to the exact same controller settings as you have on steamOS.

Wait wait wait.. you're actuall talking about emulating mouse support using analog thumbsticks?

Do you have any idea how ackward and non fuctional that is to use? I tried in on my steam deck myself and you'll constantly be overshooting your target.

Just because you can configure it to do something doesn't mean you should.

The fact still stands that ROG ally has no decent m+kb replacement, the steam deck does with it's double touchpads which have excellent precision.

What's really worrysome is the amount of time you invest into propagating false information on the steam deck forums.

What are you even talking about?

You can output your thumbstick as a mouse and play with that without any problems. This is how I'm playing games with bad controller mechanics like Dishonored 2, or older COD games which have no controller support at all. It's working perfectly, there is absolutely no overshooting, in fact you can change settings like response curve, anti deadzone etc and have an insane amount of control.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Makakken Boitjen:

Wait wait wait.. you're actuall talking about emulating mouse support using analog thumbsticks?

Do you have any idea how ackward and non fuctional that is to use? I tried in on my steam deck myself and you'll constantly be overshooting your target.

Just because you can configure it to do something doesn't mean you should.

The fact still stands that ROG ally has no decent m+kb replacement, the steam deck does with it's double touchpads which have excellent precision.

What's really worrysome is the amount of time you invest into propagating false information on the steam deck forums.

What are you even talking about?

You can output your thumbstick as a mouse and play with that without any problems. This is how I'm playing games with bad controller mechanics like Dishonored 2, or older COD games which have no controller support at all. It's working perfectly, there is absolutely no overshooting, in fact you can change settings like response curve, anti deadzone etc and have an insane amount of control.

So much for "it just works" that has been said about using a Windows based handheld.

Weird how having to fiddle with setting up controls is now 'OK' when it's suddenly a Windows handheld.

[Drak3]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by ?legit:

What are you even talking about?

You can output your thumbstick as a mouse and play with that without any problems. This is how I'm playing games with bad controller mechanics like Dishonored 2, or older COD games which have no controller support at all. It's working perfectly, there is absolutely no overshooting, in fact you can change settings like response curve, anti deadzone etc and have an insane amount of control.

So much for "it just works" that has been said about using a Windows based handheld.

Weird how having to fiddle with setting up controls is now 'OK' when it's suddenly a Windows handheld.

Remember, his solution for not needing to debloat an OEM Windows install is to just do a "clean" Windows install.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Drak3:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

So much for "it just works" that has been said about using a Windows based handheld.

Weird how having to fiddle with setting up controls is now 'OK' when it's suddenly a Windows handheld.

Remember, his solution for not needing to debloat an OEM Windows install is to just do a "clean" Windows install.

Oh, I'm aware.

I've seen complaints about being 'bullied' in these forums when misinformation gets corrected or hypocrisy gets shown. Kinda reinforces that not comment has been made in actual good faith.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by invision2212:

You made the right choice OP.

Here’s some dying light footage I took earlier at 15-16w that outperforms the steam deck easily while not even breaking a sweat in temperature.

https://youtu.be/X_MF3EHN3gI?si=7_gYgijZzhd816XH

Yeah I am actually impressed. Booted up Horizon Forbidden West last night and it had avg 35 FPS, granted it was on the absolutely lowest settings lol, but still surprised me that it could even run it.

So it is quite funny now to think that Sony plans to make a handheld that will only play PS4 games XD