Steam Deck

Steam Deck

Mr Jt (Gog is king) 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 1:44
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Steam Deck Vs Legion Go
What is the ^^better^^ device in your opinion?
since i own both i can clearly say:
Steam Deck pros: Great battery life, its a bit lighter and steam os, decky loader.
Legion go pros: The screen is fantastic.2k 144 hz, The performance on every game is pretty impressive thats the biggest downside for the deck i think. Also steam os will soon be supported as well if you want to. Windows works pretty flawless i must say especially with their own integrated app
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Bradly 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 3:57 
Legion Go. Better hardware more options and better display
最後修改者:Bradly; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 3:57
Drak3 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 5:51 
Deck. Better hardware doesn’t mean much if your use of it is heavily restricted, the software sucks, or it has poor ergonomics.
Haruspex 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 7:51 
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The Legion Go is the more powerful device, and to some folks that's the only metric that matters. This is fine. Those kinds of devices are there for those people.

However the Steam Deck (OLED in particular) is my handheld PC of choice.

The Steam Deck is a very well thought out, very well balanced device. By "balanced", I mean it doesn't suffer from a condition sometimes called "bigger number better". Every decision made of the Steam Deck was done carefully and deliberately. For different aspects, they could have gone bigger, but they didn't, and for good reason.

The screen resolution is 800p. To compulsive number-comparers, this is a much lower number than most modern gaming displays and therefore it's "worse". Looking closer though, higher resolutions require more performance to properly handle. More performance necessitates more wattage, more cooling, etc. Then at 800p on a 7" display, the pixel density is already over 200 PPI, which is actually much denser than your 4K 32" monitor. At that display size, a higher resolution isn't really necessary and going higher would have more negatives than positives in a handheld.

The APU maxes out at 15 watts, and even then it plays most games nicely. There are those folks who suffer from some kind of FOMO who will accept nothing short of 4k, ultra settings with ray tracing on at 120+ fps. No handheld could possibly satisfy them though. Since the Steam Deck is a PC, people often compare it to their full-fat, megawatt powered desktop PC and they feel the Deck comes up wanting. Of course. It's a 15 watt, battery powered handheld. It's good, but it's not made of miracles. The Steam Deck's highly efficient APU allows for up to 12 hours of battery life in some games. For me, that efficiency is what's important in a handheld, and I think the Deck strikes a good balance between performance and efficiency. If I want that zero-compromises PC gaming experience, I still have my desktop.

The Deck enjoys excellent, ongoing support from Valve and a vibrant community, and there's incentive for that support to continue. Steam Deck owners are going to spend money on Steam. Valve is the only manufacturer of handheld gaming PCs that has this incentive. It's the console model. Valve can subsidize the cost of the Steam Deck because Steam itself does well. Before the Deck, handheld gaming PCs were universally over $1000. In comparison, Lenovo, Asus, MSI, Ayaneo, there's no further incentive to support the device after they've sold it to you.

Dual touchpads and Steam Input make the Deck an extremely versatile system for controlling all kinds of games, including games that were never designed for a controller. It's gotten to where I can't imagine a gaming device in this kind of form factor without them, and I'm looking forward to the Steam Controller 2, codename "Ibex", that features the touchpads.
最後修改者:Haruspex; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 8:28
shadowboy813 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 8:46 
引用自 Haruspex
The screen resolution is 800p. To compulsive number-comparers, this is a much lower number than most modern gaming displays and therefore it's "worse". Looking closer though, higher resolutions require more performance to properly handle. More performance necessitates more wattage, more cooling, etc. Then at 800p on a 7" display, the pixel density is already over 200 PPI, which is actually much denser than your 4K 32" monitor. At that display size, a higher resolution isn't really necessary and going higher would have more negatives than positives in a handheld.

To your credit, this is a great post, but the relevant factor here is not PPI, at least not directly. PPI by itself is as meaningless as resolution. What is relevant is viewing distance and how it relates to PPI. Most TVs only have 40-60PPI, desktop monitors in the 90-150PPI range, and phones are in the 300-500PPI range. The difference? TVs are viewed from 6+ feet, desktop monitors from 2-3 feet, phones from 8-12 inches. The deck's 7" display is held usually in the 1-2ft range, so it needs a pixel density somewhere between monitors and phones. When you look at the usage, it's clear why the steam deck is in the 200PPI range.

Our eyes don't see in pixels, what we see are measurements in angular size. The human eye can resolve to about 1 arcminute. That's about 430 PPI at 8 inches, 280 PPI at 1 foot, 140 PPI at 2 feet, and 47 PPI at 6 feet.
最後修改者:shadowboy813; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 8:48
Bradly 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 9:20 
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What cope here lol its so cringe. The legion go is a well thought device as well. You can downgrade the resolution and you get more than double the performance compared to the deck. You can use it as a pc as well. The only good thing about the deck is the os but thats soon be available for all devices. And you can turn the legion go and also the ally into an even more powerful steam deck
最後修改者:Bradly; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 9:21
Chris 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 9:38 
Depends. If you already have a steam deck lcd it makes more sense to buy a legion go. The deck is more for a casual experience meanwhile the legion go is a full blown pc and can replace your laptop. I have both and can recommend both. The community on the deck is great. Lenovo has already announced a slim model which looks cool as well.
Drak3 2024 年 12 月 7 日 上午 10:24 
引用自 Bradly
The legion go is a well thought device as well.
Other than the dual USB and kickstand, the Legion Go is not well thought out at all.
The ergonomics on the controllers aren't great, due to the hard edges that will dig into most peoples' palms, the awkward rear right button placement due to the FPS controller mode, and the ergonomics of FPS mode make it blatantly obvious that no one on the design team tried to actually use it in the prototyping stage.
It's running the same (relatively) power hungry Z1E, while not offsetting the power demand adequately. They really couldn't without making a handheld too heavy for anyone to want to use as a handheld.
Its touchpad is a joke, in terms of location, size, accuracy, and sensitivity.
The removable controllers are not well designed, structurally speaking.
It uses a native portrait display, and Windows knows that. That can cause issues for games that are looking for native landscape displays.

引用自 Bradly
You can downgrade the resolution and you get more than double the performance compared to the deck.
No, you don't.
At 15W, the Z1E is roughly the same as the Deck in terms of average FPS (the lows are worse). Below that, and the Deck performs better. At its 30W limit, the Z1E pulls around 50% higher average FPS, with the lows being either similar to the 15W Deck or just moderately better at best.

引用自 Bradly
You can use it as a pc as well.
You can also do that with the Deck. It's almost like these handheld PCs are just PCs but handheld.

引用自 Bradly
What cope here lol its so cringe.
The only real cope here are from the die hard "fans" of the Legion Go. It's just not all that great outside of raw performance, but there's also other handhelds that boast that same raw performance because they're using the same chip, but without as many downsides as the Go.
Bradly 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 1:15 
The legion go is factually the superior device. you can do all the stuff like you can do on the deck just with better framerate, graphics and refresh rate. Valve fanboys like to cope. The deck is a casual device for the console experience. You can give me troll emojies as much as you want it doesnt change facts
Oh yeah it has double the performance. I own the deck and the legion go outperforms it in framerate by a mile also with higher resolutions lol
最後修改者:Bradly; 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 1:17
dream_smash 2024 年 12 月 7 日 下午 7:40 
Valve itself bloats the Steam client.
Steam Deck failure is in overlooking this.
TheKrapfcat 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 12:14 
引用自 Bradly
The legion go is factually the superior device. you can do all the stuff like you can do on the deck just with better framerate, graphics and refresh rate. Valve fanboys like to cope. The deck is a casual device for the console experience. You can give me troll emojies as much as you want it doesnt change facts
Oh yeah it has double the performance. I own the deck and the legion go outperforms it in framerate by a mile also with higher resolutions lol

if you check any decent reviewer that actually made comparisons between handhelds. you will know that it's barely 50% increase for a over 100% power increase compared to the Deck with the 1% lows dipping quite low, while the Deck has lower FPS sure but way better frametime graph

also people should really stop going with the usual bigger number better BS, the GO has a stupid screen, a cool gimmick at best, if they instead used a smaller screen they could have made the GO cheaper and better battery econ, cause even with that 50% more FPS over the deck GL running anything released on the last decade at 2560x1600 at 144FPS.

and last and for me more important is not the raw power, but how you are able to play those games, the fact that the Deck has the whole power of Steam input behind it and you can get really creative with it and play any game you want on a controller (RTS, MOBA, MMORPG, old games with no controller support), while the rest of the handhelds are stuck with Xinput or a very limited Steam input implementation
最後修改者:TheKrapfcat; 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 12:33
Bradly 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 5:41 
Bro all the new released games run like trash on the deck. You can even play stalker on the go. Silent hill 2 is awful on the deck but runs great on the go. Also the emu stuff is way better on the legion
Drak3 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 6:35 
引用自 Bradly
Bro all the new released games run like trash on the deck
Some AAA shovelware legitimately doesn’t run great on the Deck, but those games also don’t run great on integrated graphics in general and are a slim minority of games.

Most games that don’t run well on the Deck, don’t run well on any handheld.
Bradly 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 7:03 
I have both devices and tried many games on both. Games run way better on the go. Watch Gamers Nexus Review. Even he thinks its a well thought device. the deck is lighter which is a plus but the screen on the go is just to good. The overall weight difference isnt that much of a deal anyway. Im not a fanboy of any company but overall if you want the better experience take the go. if you want higher batterie life and a smaller screen pick the deck. You can take a charger device with you and you can still play for hours
最後修改者:Bradly; 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 7:04
Drak3 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 8:33 
引用自 Bradly
Games run way better on the go. Watch Gamers Nexus Review.
Gamers Nexus’ review explicitly proves that the Legion Go only manages a 50% average FPS increase with a 100% power draw increase when running games in identical scenarios, while the lows are not better.

引用自 Bradly
Even he thinks its a well thought device.
In the context of handheld PCs, Steve’s opinion of the overall device doesn’t hold much weight, since he doesn’t interact with them all that much and has only interacted with only a few. Long term use, it becomes pretty clear that the Go is NOT well thought out.

引用自 Bradly
I have both devices and tried many games on both. Games run way better on the go.
I own the Deck, Ally, and Go. I know first hand what each are like.
I know that the only way to get meaningfully “better” performance with either Z1E handheld is to trash the battery life, which defeats the point of them being full fledged PCs in a handheld form factor.

The best case scenario for improved game performance is a 50% increase to average FPS, while dropping 50% of your battery life, on devices where battery life isn’t good to begin with.
Chris 2024 年 12 月 8 日 上午 9:34 
The legion go is well thought out. All the things it offers makes sense. Why the hate? I think the deck and go are both great devices
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