Steam Deck

Steam Deck

GuRu Asaki Oct 6, 2024 @ 10:31am
STEAM Deck: Questions?
The STEAM Deck Specs:

6 nm AMD APU
CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32)
GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz (1.6 TFlops FP32)
APU power: 4-15W

RAM
16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM (6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)

Storage

Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD
Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD
Both include high-speed microSD card slot



For Those Who Aren't Spec Heavy,
& Don't Know A Lot About Tech??

& Those Who Do Know Quite A Bit...

Let Me Ask You??

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#1.) First Question Is??

The CPU: It's A Zen 2 At 2.4 To 3.5 Ghz (Right???)

I'm Pretty Sure My CPU That Is Like 20 Years Old By Now,
Is A Zen 3 Already... It Has A 3.4 To 3.6 Ghz Of Performance,
& I Can Even Beef It Up & Boost Up To 4.0 Ghz If I Wanted...

This CPU Is Way, Way Outdated...

A Zen 2?? How On Earth Are You Getting

(up to 448 GFlops) = Even More So, What The Hell Is GFlops?? o_@

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Answer To The Question (1) Above:

Ready For It??

2.4GHz @ (FPS 32) = Explains Everything About The CPU Here, ^_-

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#2.) Second Question Is??

The GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz (1.6 TFlops FP32)

I'm Pretty Sure 1.6Ghz Does Not Automatically Equal (1.6 TFlops)

1.6 Ghz Is A Lot, But We Don't Even Know How
Much Memory Or VRAM This Is Having In It's GPU...

It's Like They Just Took Ghz & Automatically Assumed It Was Same As TFlops...

Which Is Entirely Wrong...

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Answer To The Question (2) Above:

Ready For It??

(FPS 32) = Explains A Lot About The GPU Spec Here...

They Also Claimed It Handled (6 nm AMD APU)

Usually AMD APU Is Like Stock Laptop GPU,
Usually People Compare That To Intel Zen Or Intel Standard IGPUS...

Even My Laptop Says Vega 3, But It Also Says APU...

The Issue Is, They Just Call It AMD APU...

What Kind Of GPU Is The AMD APU??

You Don't Know... Your Just Told It Handles 6nm...

For A Product That Handles 6nm,
Your Talking About A Product That Is
Supposed To Be A Monster Product...

The Fact It Performs Bad & 32 FPS Keeps Coming Up,
& The Fact That It Actually Has 2.4 Ghz In It's Spec,
& It's A Zen 2 CPU... Tells Me It's GPU Likely Does
Not Perform At 6nm TFlops Either...

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#3.) Third Question Is??

16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM (6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)

16 GB LPDDR5 ?? Where Did This Name Randomly Come From, o_@

16 GB Of This Stuff?? Really?? That Is Low For Today...

Most People Are Interested In 32 GB Or Higher Now...

6400 Is Not Bad, Though... Sooo, I Don't See Much Issue Here...

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#4.) Fourth Question Is??

APU power: 4-15W On A Product Pulling 6nm TFlops??

Yah, Something Doesn't Seem Right About That?? o_@

Is That Power Wattage A Little Too Low For Something That Powerful??

Is This Possibly Why There Are Quite A Bit Of Issues??

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#5.) Fifth Question Is??

Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD
Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD
Both include high-speed microSD card slot

Is This Trickery, Or What??

Why Would You Include A MicroSD Card Slot
Into NVME SSD's At All??

The MicroSD Card Is Likely Slower
Then The NVME SSD's You Buy Without Them...

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Answer To The Question (5) Above:

Ready For It??

That Makes Absolutely No Sense,
Because Now Their Not NVME SSD's Anymore,
Their Just Glorified MicroSD Cards Now...

It Destroys The Entire Purpose Of The Product...

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In Conclusion:

I Would Have To Guess, You Have Way Too Heavy GPU,
& Way Too Much Power From Mid Range RAM
Running On Really Low Quality Power Wattage...

Everything Else Is Technically Significantly Sarificed
For This Questionable Powerful Graphix Usage...

& Sacrificing Power Wattage For Powerful Graphix??

Is Not Something I Would Wanna Do In A Product Being Sold...

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Now Maybe I'm Wrong??

But The Whole Spec Of The STEAM Deck,
Just Does Not Make Any Sense Here If I
Was To Sell My Own Gaming Deck...

And The Fact They Are Hiding 2.4 Ghz & ?32 FPS?
(Whatever 32FP Is) In The Supposed Specs For The
STEAM Deck On Their Main Page...

Just Tells You That As A Buyer...

Your Reading 6nm TFlops & 6400 MT/s
& Thinking To Yourself, This Is A Really Good Product...

Nobody Is Reading The 2.5 Ghz & 32 FPS Part,
& The Extremely Low Power Wattage Going To It...

& That Is What I'm Guessing, ~_~


This Can Explain A Lot Of STEAM Deck Issues
That Many, Many People Are Having Right Now...


Maybe I'm Wrong, & Maybe Valve Is Right...
But A Lot Of People Are Having Issues...


Sooooo, Is There Something To This, Or Not??














I'm Not Trying To Say That This Is What Is Going On,
I'm Not Saying Anything Here...

I'm Just Simply Asking??

For Other People To Provide Their Own Responses
To What They Think These Specs Mean, Or Are,
& Why They Think The STEAM Deck Performs
The Way It Does Good Or Bad, & If They Think
The Specs Are Actually Correct, Or Wrong,
& Missleading To The Customers Who Buy
The STEAM Deck??
Last edited by GuRu Asaki; Oct 6, 2024 @ 10:39am
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Haruspex Oct 6, 2024 @ 11:48am 
Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
The CPU: It's A Zen 2 At 2.4 To 3.5 Ghz (Right???)
Right.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
This CPU Is Way, Way Outdated...
It's a bit older, but selected specifically for it's power efficiency. Also it was the first device with RDNA 2 graphics on an APU to hit the market, outperforming all the competition which were mostly using AMD APUs with Vega graphics.
Also the first Zen 2 mobile chips released in 2019, less than three years removed from the Deck LCD's initial release date of February 2022. The Zen 3 mobile chips were released two years later in 2021, which certainly isn't 20 years ago, and less than a year would be too quick of a turnaround for AMD and Valve to implement it in the Steam Deck's custom APU.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
A Zen 2?? How On Earth Are You Getting (up to 448 GFlops) = Even More So, What The Hell Is GFlops?? o_@
Giga-FLOPS, meaning FLOating Point operations per second. It's how fast a chip can do math, basically. The CPU runs up to 448 GFlops FP32, and the GPU runs at up to 1.6 TFlops FP32. Those raw tech specs don't mean a whole lot to the average user, and most people really only care about real-world gaming performance.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
2.4GHz @ (FPS 32) = Explains Everything About The CPU Here, ^_-
I think you're misreading here. "FP32" is referring to single-precision FLOPS, meaning floating point format occupying 32 bits in memory. They're not talking about frames per second.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
The GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz (1.6 TFlops FP32)
I'm Pretty Sure 1.6Ghz Does Not Automatically Equal (1.6 TFlops)
You're correct. It doesn't automatically mean that, and in this case that number matching is purely coincidental. To put that into perspective, at 1.6 TFlops, that puts the Deck within spitting distance of the performance of the PS4.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
1.6 Ghz Is A Lot, But We Don't Even Know How
Much Memory Or VRAM This Is Having In It's GPU...
APUs share memory between the CPU and GPU, so the GPU should use as much as it needs, and no more. It has a certain amount "dedicated" to the GPU, defaulting to 1 GB, but it's not strictly limited to that amount. You can force it to dedicate more through the BIOS, but most games are smart enough to not need this, and in some games (Red Dead Redemption 2) it can actually hurt performance.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
It's Like They Just Took Ghz & Automatically Assumed It Was Same As TFlops...
Which Is Entirely Wrong...
It's coincidental. You misunderstand.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
(FPS 32) = Explains A Lot About The GPU Spec Here...
Again, FP32 meaning single-precision FLOPS. Not FPS.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
They Also Claimed It Handled (6 nm AMD APU)
6nm is the die process size of the OLED model, smaller than the LCD model which allows it to run just as well while using less power and generating less heat.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Usually AMD APU Is Like Stock Laptop GPU,
Usually People Compare That To Intel Zen Or Intel Standard IGPUS...
Even My Laptop Says Vega 3, But It Also Says APU...
The Issue Is, They Just Call It AMD APU...
What Kind Of GPU Is The AMD APU??
You Don't Know... Your Just Told It Handles 6nm...
The Steam Deck uses a custom AMD Van Gogh APU with the GPU based on RDNA2 with 8 total compute units. It's roughly comparable to an GTX 1050 in performance, or roughly an RX560 on the AMD side of things, except since the Steam Deck APU is based on RDNA2 it technically supports fancy things like raytracing. (Although actually trying to use raytracing on such a low-power APU isn't very intuitive.)

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM (6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)
16 GB LPDDR5 ?? Where Did This Name Randomly Come From, o_@
16 GB Of This Stuff?? Really?? That Is Low For Today...
Most People Are Interested In 32 GB Or Higher Now...
6400 Is Not Bad, Though... Sooo, I Don't See Much Issue Here...
32 GB would have been nice, but I understand why they went with 16 GB for cost reasons. There are people soldering on replacement chips and bringing their Steam Decks up to 32 GB of RAM, which isn't something I would recommend for the average user.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
APU power: 4-15W On A Product Pulling 6nm TFlops??
Yah, Something Doesn't Seem Right About That?? o_@
Is That Power Wattage A Little Too Low For Something That Powerful??
4-15 watts is what allows the Steam Deck to have better battery life than the competition. They could have done what devices like the ROG Ally did and just throw more wattage at the problem, but then you would be looking at a worst case scenario battery life of 30-40 minutes, like the (original) ROG Ally has. The custom AMD APU in the Deck also provides more performance at lower wattages than the competition. There are more important things than raw performance when you're dealing with a handheld.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD
Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD
Both include high-speed microSD card slot
Is This Trickery, Or What??
Why Would You Include A MicroSD Card Slot
Into NVME SSD's At All??
The MicroSD Card Is Likely Slower
Then The NVME SSD's You Buy Without Them...
Trickery? I'm glad to have a microSD slot as a way to expand my storage. I use mine exclusively for emulation files, and Steam Games get installed on the internal NVME drive, which I upgraded mine to 2 TB.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
That Makes Absolutely No Sense,
Because Now Their Not NVME SSD's Anymore,
Their Just Glorified MicroSD Cards Now...

Do you... Do you think that the internal SSD and the microSD are somehow the same thing? They are two separate storage devices.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Now Maybe I'm Wrong??
(Nodding aggressively)

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Your Reading 6nm TFlops & 6400 MT/s
& Thinking To Yourself, This Is A Really Good Product...
Most people don't care. The only question they care about is, "Does this thing run the games I want to run well enough to enjoy?"

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Maybe I'm Wrong, & Maybe Valve Is Right...
But A Lot Of People Are Having Issues...
My money is on the former. I have three Steam Decks in my house, two LCD and one OLED. All have been working beautifully.

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:
Sooooo, Is There Something To This, Or Not??
There is not.

As a bonus, here's a video of Doom Eternal running on the Steam Deck with raytracing enabled. Not bad for a battery powered handheld device with a maximum 15 watt TDP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJD3U1jhFY8
Last edited by Haruspex; Oct 6, 2024 @ 7:46pm
🌎Earth Oct 6, 2024 @ 3:36pm 
Knew it was this guy when it was typed as STEAM lol
TheKrapfcat Oct 6, 2024 @ 3:40pm 
Originally posted by 🌎Earth:
Knew it was this guy when it was typed as STEAM lol

You gotta give it to him, even though he is a troll he at least puts some effort in useless formatting and his style is so obvious you can tell it's him even when he uses a different account
Ogami Oct 6, 2024 @ 5:04pm 
Originally posted by Haruspex:
They could have done what devices like the ROG Ally did and just throw more wattage at the problem, but then you would be looking at a worst case scenario battery life of 30-40 minutes, like the Ally has.

As a ROG ALLY owner, while the battery is definitely drained faster then that of the Steam Deck, i never found a game that had only 30-40 minutes of charge.
Even at 25 Watt "Turbo" mode while playing you usually get about 70-80 minutes in more demanding games.
And the vast majority of games run perfectly fine in 15 Watt "Performance" mode which most of the time gets you around 2 hours.
In 10 Watt "Silent" mode i managed 3.5 hours in some games.
And the new Ally X has longer play times then the Steam Deck across the board, simply by having a bigger battery.
Last edited by Ogami; Oct 6, 2024 @ 5:06pm
Haruspex Oct 6, 2024 @ 7:31pm 
Originally posted by Ogami:
As a ROG ALLY owner...

That ROG Ally X actually looks to be an absolutely amazing device. I can't believe they managed to cram such a large battery into such a small package, and it solves the issues it's predecessor was having with roasting SD cards and heat.

If I needed Windows on a handheld, I would probably go for that one, and I don't hesitate to recommend that and similar Windows devices when people are shopping around, particularly if they want to play certain games with kernel-level anti-cheat.

For me though, that Steam Deck OLED just hits the sweet spot. It's enough performance with very good battery life, it's silent, it feels and operates wonderfully, and it plays the games I want to play. I also feel like Valve is really invested in the ongoing success of the Steam Deck and Linux gaming in general. They not just making a piece of consumer hardware, they're building a whole platform.
Ogami Oct 6, 2024 @ 8:00pm 
Yeah for me it was that the ROG ALLY runs Windows.
I just feel more comfortable with Windows then with Steam OS.
I love to tinker with stuff and use a lot of mods and modifications for my games and as great as Steam OS is and as far as it has come it still has a bunch of games that do not work right on it.
With a Windows handheld its just like my desktop and i can use the same solutions for any problems that crop up. Plus i have my games spread out over half a dozen clients and its just easier to run that all with a Windows enviroment.

Steam OS is definitely great for just out of the box playing your games and not having to fiddle with stuff in the background.

Originally posted by Haruspex:
and it solves the issues it's predecessor was having with roasting SD cards and heat.
My SD card slot is still working fine after 6 months but i also dont keep the card in if i play in plugged in Turbo mode, because that is when the temperatures can reach 95 degree Celsius and fry the Micro SD.
In Performance mode or Custom Wattage mode the ROG ALLY usually does not exceed 60 degree Celsius, even after playing for multiple hours and it seems that is fine for the Micro SD slot.

But yeah, it was not that smart to put that slot right next to the exhaust vent.
:lunar2019grinningpig:
Last edited by Ogami; Oct 6, 2024 @ 8:03pm
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