I'm glad I didn't upgrade to the OLED SteamDeck......

[davidinct]

Let's be honest here, SteamOS is awesome but, if you like Call of Duty games, or have a GamePass subscription, its limited. You would need to BUY the games on SteamOS that you get with your GamePass sub. So Dual booting with Windows is critical in my world.

Steam does say they will provide drivers for Windows. On the LCD SteamDeck, dual booting with Windows, it runs perfect after some tweaks, all drivers are installed and working fine.

The OLED has been out for a while, still no sound, blue-tooth or wi-fi drivers (you can use a 3rd party driver for WI-FI now). After this amount of time, people have been giving up hope of ever getting drivers but, can be sure loud about it. I don't think they will ever come.

I am just seeing how the Official Dual boot for Windows and SteamOS will be released with SteamOS 3, another "coming soon" This was announced before the LCD model was even being shipped and still never came and still shows its coming (Clover works good for this)

Just a big hyped system that turned to a disappointment if you need Windows...

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Can you not just download the 3rd party launchers onto desktop mode, add your COD games to Steam, and play them like you would your steam games? What's preventing them from working without using Windows?

If you want Windows so bad, maybe you can get a Lenovo Legion Go or something like that. But I have seen videos of people playing non-Steam games and seem to run fine without needing to dual-boot.

[Drak3]

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Can you not just download the 3rd party launchers onto desktop mode, add your COD games to Steam, and play them like you would your steam games? What's preventing them from working without using Windows?

If you want Windows so bad, maybe you can get a Lenovo Legion Go or something like that. But I have seen videos of people playing non-Steam games and seem to run fine without needing to dual-boot.

Some anti cheat and anti piracy software doesn’t work with Proton, or won’t let you access the entire game (such as no multiplayer, or you can’t host games). This is either because the game is abandonware and can’t be updated to work, the devs have a missguided vendetta against linux, the devs just haven’t updated their game to a version that works with linux (or in the case of EAC, flip a toggle and download a file to add to the game), or the dev/publisher wants to run a version of an anti cheat or anti piracy that is effictively malware and Linux inhibits it.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by Drak3:

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Can you not just download the 3rd party launchers onto desktop mode, add your COD games to Steam, and play them like you would your steam games? What's preventing them from working without using Windows?

If you want Windows so bad, maybe you can get a Lenovo Legion Go or something like that. But I have seen videos of people playing non-Steam games and seem to run fine without needing to dual-boot.

Some anti cheat and anti piracy software doesn’t work with Proton, or won’t let you access the entire game (such as no multiplayer, or you can’t host games). This is either because the game is abandonware and can’t be updated to work, the devs have a missguided vendetta against linux, the devs just haven’t updated their game to a version that works with linux (or in the case of EAC, flip a toggle and download a file to add to the game), or the dev/publisher wants to run a version of an anti cheat or anti piracy that is effictively malware and Linux inhibits it.

Yeah, that kinda sucks...if you are thinking of upgrading, maybe look into Legion Go instead.
Reading your post actually makes me want to play some COD games on my Seam Deck lol. if you own the COD games on Steam, does it solve these issues or still there?
Also wonder if any COD games has offline multiplayer bots that can be played without internet, irrc many of them require always online for anything other than campaign.

[Drak3]

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Originally posted by Drak3:

Some anti cheat and anti piracy software doesn’t work with Proton, or won’t let you access the entire game (such as no multiplayer, or you can’t host games). This is either because the game is abandonware and can’t be updated to work, the devs have a missguided vendetta against linux, the devs just haven’t updated their game to a version that works with linux (or in the case of EAC, flip a toggle and download a file to add to the game), or the dev/publisher wants to run a version of an anti cheat or anti piracy that is effictively malware and Linux inhibits it.

Yeah, that kinda sucks...if you are thinking of upgrading, maybe look into Legion Go instead.
Reading your post actually makes me want to play some COD games on my Seam Deck lol. if you own the COD games on Steam, does it solve these issues or still there?
Also wonder if any COD games has offline multiplayer bots that can be played without internet, irrc many of them require always online for anything other than campaign.

IIRC, MW’19 and ‘22/23 use anti cheat that’s config’d to not work with Linux.

Older CoDs may work, and generally there is botted offline multiplayer for Ghosts and newer, as well as BO and BO2

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by Drak3:

Originally posted by UnhappyLawbro:

Yeah, that kinda sucks...if you are thinking of upgrading, maybe look into Legion Go instead.
Reading your post actually makes me want to play some COD games on my Seam Deck lol. if you own the COD games on Steam, does it solve these issues or still there?
Also wonder if any COD games has offline multiplayer bots that can be played without internet, irrc many of them require always online for anything other than campaign.

IIRC, MW’19 and ‘22/23 use anti cheat that’s config’d to not work with Linux.

Older CoDs may work, and generally there is botted offline multiplayer for Ghosts and newer, as well as BO and BO2

nice thank you, might boot one up and try.

[[?]legit]

This is such a dilemma. Playing these games like CoD is incredibly fun on the steam deck, especially on an OLED panel with a higher refresh rate. Sadly Valve doesn't care about their customers. Either provide dual booting so that people have an option to chose between steamOS or windows, or just make a deal with Activision to get their multiplayer games running under steamOS. How hard can it be?

[@R+5]

Originally posted by ?legit:

How hard can it be?

it costs them a lot more of what they can get in return.

also, rather than hoping for official windows support, why not help to make linux be able to work with old windows games, and invite devs to make more games compatible with linux?

there less bs in linux.

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by @R+5:

Originally posted by ?legit:

How hard can it be?

it costs them a lot more of what they can get in return.

also, rather than hoping for official windows support, why not help to make linux be able to work with old windows games, and invite devs to make more games compatible with linux?

there less bs in linux.

Yeah, absolutely. It is not happening though. Why can't Valve just make a deal with ATVI or other pubs to get popular games running under steamOS?

[davidinct]

Originally posted by @R+5:

Originally posted by ?legit:

How hard can it be?

it costs them a lot more of what they can get in return.

also, rather than hoping for official windows support, why not help to make linux be able to work with old windows games, and invite devs to make more games compatible with linux?

there less bs in linux.

Sad to say, this is not a solution here, more of a dream. The main reason for Windows is modern Call of Duty games (Activation has said they have no plans on brining it over to Linux), and GamePass games.

Yea, I know Steam has some of the games on GamePass but, I would need to buy them on Steam to play them. That is unacceptable when I have full access for these games with GamePass.

Sure on my LCD deck, Windows has all the drivers and works 100% fine. I was thinking about getting an OLED but, with the lack of drivers for Windows, will not touch it even if I got 50% off.

With what happened with the official Dual boot for the Deck (Coming out in SteamOS 3, aka soon) that has never come, I don't have a lot of confidence that Steam will provide all drivers for the OLED with Windows.

So in my case, I NEED Windows if I want to give myself the best gaming options and the OLED model, although it's got some nice upgrades is a HUGE disappointment.

If they make a Deck 2 and base it on Linux, if they do not have Windows drivers available for it. I will be shopping for a 3rd party device.

It's too bad, I love the SteamDeck and what it offers but, I DO need Windows here.

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by davidinct:

Originally posted by @R+5:

it costs them a lot more of what they can get in return.

also, rather than hoping for official windows support, why not help to make linux be able to work with old windows games, and invite devs to make more games compatible with linux?

there less bs in linux.

Sad to say, this is not a solution here, more of a dream. The main reason for Windows is modern Call of Duty games (Activation has said they have no plans on brining it over to Linux), and GamePass games.

Yea, I know Steam has some of the games on GamePass but, I would need to buy them on Steam to play them. That is unacceptable when I have full access for these games with GamePass.

Sure on my LCD deck, Windows has all the drivers and works 100% fine. I was thinking about getting an OLED but, with the lack of drivers for Windows, will not touch it even if I got 50% off.

With what happened with the official Dual boot for the Deck (Coming out in SteamOS 3, aka soon) that has never come, I don't have a lot of confidence that Steam will provide all drivers for the OLED with Windows.

So in my case, I NEED Windows if I want to give myself the best gaming options and the OLED model, although it's got some nice upgrades is a HUGE disappointment.

If they make a Deck 2 and base it on Linux, if they do not have Windows drivers available for it. I will be shopping for a 3rd party device.

It's too bad, I love the SteamDeck and what it offers but, I DO need Windows here.

Well said. And kinda obvious, isn't it? I'm still surprised how difficult this is to understand for some people.

[dieterdb]

Yeah never buying steam deck again cause of the inability to Dual boot, I don't like to troubleshoot to make games work on linux because linux is too hard for me to work with.(which shouldn't need 100 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ workarounds just to play games)

If you want a console that just works buy the rog cause you might just lose a full week to troubleshooting and still find no solutions.

[tyl0413]

Steam Deck is for Steam users, yet its still the best device for everyone exactly because you can install other launchers or Windows on it, there are no restrictions like on every other system.
If you're not a Steam user and not interested in becoming one get a Switch or wait for the Xbox handheld, wasn't Sony working on one too?
That being said yeah dualboot and desktop SteamOS3 was promised and should be available its just that I don't think you should've bought one for incompatible games to begin with.

[invision2212]

Originally posted by tyl0413:

Steam Deck is for Steam users, yet its still the best device for everyone exactly because you can install other launchers or Windows on it, there are no restrictions like on every other system.
If you're not a Steam user and not interested in becoming one get a Switch or wait for the Xbox handheld, wasn't Sony working on one too?
That being said yeah dualboot and desktop SteamOS3 was promised and should be available its just that I don't think you should've bought one for incompatible games to begin with.

What restrictions are we taking about? Because as far as I am aware my lenovo legion go can do everything my steam deck does, but without the hassles.

Deck has issues with anti cheat

Deck has issues where it can’t play all of its verified games.

Deck does not have all of the options and flexibility of a windows handheld.

Wi-Fi issues

Black screen

None of these issues are present on a windows handheld

Why would anyone want a Nintendo switch? The switch can’t even play all of it own games at full speed and you need to emulate those games to be able to play them without slow downs.

[trans people are cool (not biase]

Originally posted by invision2212:

Originally posted by tyl0413:

Steam Deck is for Steam users, yet its still the best device for everyone exactly because you can install other launchers or Windows on it, there are no restrictions like on every other system.
If you're not a Steam user and not interested in becoming one get a Switch or wait for the Xbox handheld, wasn't Sony working on one too?
That being said yeah dualboot and desktop SteamOS3 was promised and should be available its just that I don't think you should've bought one for incompatible games to begin with.

What restrictions are we taking about? Because as far as I am aware my lenovo legion go can do everything my steam deck does, but without the hassles.

Deck has issues with anti cheat

Deck has issues where it can’t play all of its verified games.

Deck does not have all of the options and flexibility of a windows handheld.

Wi-Fi issues

Black screen

None of these issues are present on a windows handheld

Why would anyone want a Nintendo switch? The switch can’t even play all of it own games at full speed and you need to emulate those games to be able to play them without slow downs.

IMO Any game that requires kernel level anti-cheat to work is a badly made game, and poses gigantic security and privacy risks.

From what I've heard many people have issues with getting controllers to work smoothly on the legion for a bunch of games as well. Also ergonomically I've heard the steam deck is better.
Does the lenovo legion even have something akin to the "verified" status on steam? The verified system is far from perfect, but if a game that's verified doesn't work on your steam deck, steam support gives refunds for that reason.

I don't know what you're referring to specifically with wifi issues or black screens, but I've also never had this problem with my steam deck. If windows handhelds are anything like regular windows, I'd be willing to wager that those are more likely to black screen, crash, etc.

In what way is a windows hand-held more flexible? SteamOS uses arch as a base, an OS known for being extremely customizable and flexible.
The biggest problem for me with windows handhelds is the fact that they're running Windows. WIndows is so extremely bloated nowadays with bad navigation, split user settings, terrible search results, etc.

[IceFoxX]

The problem is that many titles with a large number of players currently disable compatibility from one moment to the next. Yes, deactivating it is about as much work as setting a checkmark. The publishers then make false statements that it is supposedly due to BattleEye etc., which is no longer the case. Now you can of course ask yourself why there is a steadily increasing number of Steam Deck users in addition to desktop users.
Gaming is one of the main reasons why Windows has become so big in the first place and the past has taught us that MS does everything imaginable, whether legal or illegal, to maintain its monopoly position. Windows 11 is a disaster and a pure security risk thanks to Recall and much more. Win 7 support is being discontinued and more and more people are realizing that they can now play just as well on Linux. As a result, they usually prefer the OS and switch completely.
Now one could think of old criminal market manipulating schemes at MS again... Especially when you consider that MS wants to be paid for the extended updates for Windows 10 not only by companies but by every single user. That means either you pay a good amount every month for half-baked updates, which are developed for the companies anyway... or Win 11... then Linux suddenly becomes interesting for many and MS could permanently lose many users well then just a few black suitcases to the publishers. It doesn't matter whether they sell Windows or Linux licenses, they wouldn't make a loss.