OLED: No Analogue Back Buttons! >:(

[kilésengati]

Now, that I got my OLED Steam Deck, I can say the screen definitely looks better and it's a bit lighter. But the SD card slot feels really cheap having almost cutting edges. Also even on the lowest settings, the haptic feedback from the trackpads is a wee too much and unrefined. The sensors on the joysticks also feel like condoms now. :/
But one thing that is definitely a huge downgrade is the lack of analogue back buttons. It really sucks since I used them quite a lot for PS2 games and in some racing games. This is a huge step backwards. Valve should've went in the other direction making all buttons analogue, or at least been more open about this change.

Not sure if it's really an upgrade overall, since ergonomics is more important on a handheld and in that regard it's a huge let-down compared to the first Deck. The new screen, quieter running and larger battery sure are nice, but I'm not sure if it's worth that much money. Maybe I should've went with an SSD upgrade for my LCD Deck is instead?

[Prezidentas]

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Analogue buttons feel the same as digital ones, but are pressure sensitive still, like the ones on the Dual Shock 2 controllers, for example.
And at least the first revisions of the LCD Decks had those for the back buttons/paddles/whatever you want to call them.

Analog buttons on the PS2 are rubber domes. Until you can actually prove it, no one is going to believe that your deck is somehow special or that you aren't making it up.

[Jenaverse]

Interesting description 😅

I actually like the upgrade of the joysticks with the more raised rubber rings, I don’t need to use the skull & co caps like i did on my lcd.

Seems like you dislike the oled revision.

[kilésengati]

Publicado originalmente por Škoda 14Tr:

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Analogue buttons feel the same as digital ones, but are pressure sensitive still, like the ones on the Dual Shock 2 controllers, for example.
And at least the first revisions of the LCD Decks had those for the back buttons/paddles/whatever you want to call them.

Analog buttons on the PS2 are rubber domes. Until you can actually prove it, no one is going to believe that your deck is somehow special or that you aren't making it up.

Valve seems to have removed that feature from the earlier models software-side as well. Pretty anti-consumer. If you like to dig through old review footage until you find one showcasing the controller test or downgrade an early revision Steam Deck, go ahead, I gonna go out and touch some grass now.

Publicado originalmente por Jenaverse:

Interesting description 😅

I actually like the upgrade of the joysticks with the more raised rubber rings, I don’t need to use the skull & co caps like i did on my lcd.

Seems like you dislike the oled revision.

Maybe to use another analogy: Those rubber bathing caps. Pretty disgusting feel as well.

Yeah, probably not my cup of tea. I like the more responsive screen (the blacks are cool as wełl) and it being less noisy and having more battery life. I also like that they toned-down the contrast on the buttons as well. But the haptics are way too snappy for my liking and those smooth rubber caps make me feel rather uncomfortable. To each their own.
To me the device, despite having better specs, feels like Valve cut corners in every other regard, which leads to an overall inferiour experience.
I'll try using and configuring it over the weekend, but my current tendency is to return it.

[Prezidentas]

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Publicado originalmente por Škoda 14Tr:

Analog buttons on the PS2 are rubber domes. Until you can actually prove it, no one is going to believe that your deck is somehow special or that you aren't making it up.

Valve seems to have removed that feature from the earlier models software-side as well. Pretty anti-consumer. If you like to dig through old review footage until you find one showcasing the controller test or downgrade an early revision Steam Deck, go ahead, I gonna go out and touch some grass now.

So basically it never existed in the first place. Got it.

[kilésengati]

Publicado originalmente por Škoda 14Tr:

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Valve seems to have removed that feature from the earlier models software-side as well. Pretty anti-consumer. If you like to dig through old review footage until you find one showcasing the controller test or downgrade an early revision Steam Deck, go ahead, I gonna go out and touch some grass now.

So basically it never existed in the first place. Got it.

Give me as many jesters as you want, but analogue back buttons were a thing on earlier Decks and Valve removed them without notice; I'll die on that hill.

[Jenaverse]

Someone here really hates me, but little do they know I love free points 🤡

[invision2212]

buttons on the back are digital and click. no idea what you are talking about

[nick@nite]

deal with it

[nephalim]

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

The joysticks surfaces of the OLED feels like condom latex.

If this isn't Jester worthy, I don't know what is.

[Haruspex]

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Valve seems to have removed that feature from the earlier models software-side as well. Pretty anti-consumer. If you like to dig through old review footage until you find one showcasing the controller test or downgrade an early revision Steam Deck, go ahead, I gonna go out and touch some grass now.

They can't remove a feature via software that was never there physically in the first place.

You can see a teardown comparison from ifixit. They put their own early-model teardown next to Valve's pre-release teardown.

You can clearly see the rubber dome buttons mechanical switches under the back buttons. Rubber dome buttons These mechanical switches are entirely binary. On or off. There's no possible input between these two states. (And pressing them you feel a very distinct "click".)

A teardown comparison between the OLED and original LCD models[www.notebookcheck.net] shows the exact same mechanical switches on the back.

The buttons on the back feel identical between my wife's Q3 2022 Deck, my son's Q2 2023 Deck, and my Deck OLED.

If you truly believe they are or were ever analog, you're misremembering somehow.

[Prezidentas]

Publicado originalmente por Haruspex:

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Valve seems to have removed that feature from the earlier models software-side as well. Pretty anti-consumer. If you like to dig through old review footage until you find one showcasing the controller test or downgrade an early revision Steam Deck, go ahead, I gonna go out and touch some grass now.

They can't remove a feature via software that was never there physically in the first place.

You can see a teardown comparison from ifixit. They put their own early-model teardown next to Valve's pre-release teardown.

You can clearly see the rubber dome buttons under the back buttons. Rubber dome buttons are entirely binary. On or off. There's no possible input between these two states.

A teardown comparison between the OLED and original LCD models[www.notebookcheck.net] shows the exact same rubber dome switches on the back.

If you truly believe they are or were ever analog, you're misremembering somehow.

rubber dome switches can be used as analog buttons, it was done with the Dualshock 2 and Dualshock 3. However those were carbon rubber domes on a PCB that could measure the variable resistance of the button. This seems like a very basic switch with a metallic click, so I doubt it's rubber dome.

[VastDarknyss]

Publicado originalmente por kilésengati:

Publicado originalmente por Škoda 14Tr:

Analog buttons on the PS2 are rubber domes. Until you can actually prove it, no one is going to believe that your deck is somehow special or that you aren't making it up.

Valve seems to have removed that feature from the earlier models software-side as well. Pretty anti-consumer. If you like to dig through old review footage until you find one showcasing the controller test or downgrade an early revision Steam Deck, go ahead, I gonna go out and touch some grass now.

Publicado originalmente por Jenaverse:

Interesting description 😅

I actually like the upgrade of the joysticks with the more raised rubber rings, I don’t need to use the skull & co caps like i did on my lcd.

Seems like you dislike the oled revision.

Maybe to use another analogy: Those rubber bathing caps. Pretty disgusting feel as well.

Yeah, probably not my cup of tea. I like the more responsive screen (the blacks are cool as wełl) and it being less noisy and having more battery life. I also like that they toned-down the contrast on the buttons as well. But the haptics are way too snappy for my liking and those smooth rubber caps make me feel rather uncomfortable. To each their own.
To me the device, despite having better specs, feels like Valve cut corners in every other regard, which leads to an overall inferiour experience.
I'll try using and configuring it over the weekend, but my current tendency is to return it.

Imagine telling people to touch grass when all you do is complain in steam forums and not even playing your deck or touching grass... First it is boo hoo I'm mad at Valve because the shipping company didn't deliver my package and I had to go pick it up, then to this post... Seems like you are the one who is terminally online mate. There isn't enough Jester rewards in the world for you...

[VastDarknyss]

Publicado originalmente por Jenaverse:

Someone here really hates me, but little do they know I love free points 🤡

yes... someone, I have my suspicions on who that 🤡 might be lol

[MJ711]

for posts like this, I wish i were a mod on this forum...

Back buttons did not change. They were never what you claim they were.

[Jenaverse]

Publicado originalmente por VastDarknyss:

Publicado originalmente por Jenaverse:

Someone here really hates me, but little do they know I love free points 🤡

yes... someone, I have my suspicions on who that 🤡 might be lol

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