The OLED Display Hasn't Blown Me Away...

[The Nintendo Patent Lawsuit Fest]

First of all, I didn't upgrade to OLED for the OLED screen itself, but all the other improvements. If the only improvement had been an OLED display then I wouldn't have bothered.

I've had OLED phones for a while and so I knew of the qualities of these screens, but comparatively I never felt the Deck's LCD display was much worse off with the inofficial vibrancy slider set to 118 for me. The only time I'd notice it wasn't OLED, and notice that the colors looked much worse compared to those on my phone, was when there was a lot of black on the screen. Which is simply not too common, at least in the types of games I play.

Yeah, there were exceptions, like INSIDE. If that game had been available on Android I'd have bought it there for the OLED display since there's a lot of dark on the screen at all times. But other than that I had no real issues with the LCD screen.

However, a while ago I listened to an episode of a podcast where someone said the OLED display of the Steam Deck looked like it was a photo frame. They said it didn't even look like a screen anymore but rather like it's something printed and glued to to the screen, and others in the podcast seemed to agree. So I kinda let myself get hyped a little as this made me assume the Deck OLED had some sort of secret sauce that would make it look much better than the OLED on my phones.

Turned out this was not the case, the Deck OLED feels like regular old OLED to me. So no idea what that was about... it's weird how I wasn't even in it for the OLED, to it becoming something I WAS excited about after a silly podcast, only to now be disappointed again that it doesn't do anything different than my OLED phones...

Anyway, I'm curious what other people think. Have you used OLED displays before and feel like OLED on the Deck is important?

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Originally posted by ?legit:

Not twisting your words, I am literally quoting you.

Yes, in a way that implies I said something I didn't say. The other points have already been addressed.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I quoted your post. If you have a problem with people
quoting your posts, don't participate in discussions.

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Given how little knowledge you possessed about VRR technology while being totally sure you knew everything about it you are in no position to keep telling people how clueless they supposedly are. Not a very pleasant interlocutor for discussions

This is ironic. Your personal attack on me doesn't change anything about your confused claims before:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

I really just said the image quality is not much worse off. Plus, if you want "insane contrast" you use HDR. Which admittedly the Deck has but it didn't need OLED for that

"Image quality is not much worse off?" This is objectively false. Image quality can be tested objectively with a colorimeter, the steam deck only has a 65% srgb color coverage.

"if you want insane contrast, you use HDR". This is objectively false. HDR makes certain parts of the image brighter, but doesn't give you perfect black levels, like OLED does. Oh, and did you know that HDR isn't limited to LCD displays? You can have HDR on OLED too...

Best part so far was the post with a vibrancy slider:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

I've had OLED phones for a while and so I knew of the qualities of these screens, but comparatively I never felt the Deck's LCD display was much worse off with the inofficial vibrancy slider set to 118 for me.

Okay... The vibrancy slider does NOT make the display better though. In fact, colors will even look more offsetted. Furthermore a vibrancy slider doesn't fix the severe hardware restrictions of the display. The lcd steam deck only has around 65% srgb color gamut. That is beyond terrible.


Your posts so far only show that you have absolutely no clue about oled or display technologies in general.

[Shibby]

I'll just leave this here about why OLED is just better in every way compared to LED, VA, or TA panels. It's silly to argue with someone that was "tricked" by a single podcast over what OLED is. The smearing that you get from other panels is crazy in comparison to OLED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy3cKwq6vEw

[🙈🧬👨‍💻🥽Jerry ✡️ VRcia⛐🏁✈️🏓]

OLED is far superior to other mass market display tech. i don't bother arguing with people that think otherwise in 2023 because they are:

1) living in the past
2) ignorant
3) typically say "... i have an OLED phone" but don't have experience with higher end LG displays etc

the best is people who still scream about burn in. i've been daily driving 55"+ LG OLEDs for 4 years without issue.

huge OLEDS, hdmi 2.1, VRR, atmos... what a wonderful time to be an informed consumer/gamer

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Yes, in a way that implies I said something I didn't say. The other points have already been addressed.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I quoted your post. If you have a problem with people
quoting your posts, don't participate in discussions.

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Given how little knowledge you possessed about VRR technology while being totally sure you knew everything about it you are in no position to keep telling people how clueless they supposedly are. Not a very pleasant interlocutor for discussions

This is ironic. Your personal attack on me doesn't change anything about your confused claims before:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

I really just said the image quality is not much worse off. Plus, if you want "insane contrast" you use HDR. Which admittedly the Deck has but it didn't need OLED for that

"Image quality is not much worse off?" This is objectively false. Image quality can be tested objectively with a colorimeter, the steam deck only has a 65% srgb color coverage.

"if you want insane contrast, you use HDR". This is objectively false. HDR makes certain parts of the image brighter, but doesn't give you perfect black levels, like OLED does. Oh, and did you know that HDR isn't limited to LCD displays? You can have HDR on OLED too...

Best part so far was the post with a vibrancy slider:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

I've had OLED phones for a while and so I knew of the qualities of these screens, but comparatively I never felt the Deck's LCD display was much worse off with the inofficial vibrancy slider set to 118 for me.

Okay... The vibrancy slider does NOT make the display better though. In fact, colors will even look more offsetted. Furthermore a vibrancy slider doesn't fix the severe hardware restrictions of the display. The lcd steam deck only has around 65% srgb color gamut. That is beyond terrible.


Your posts so far only show that you have absolutely no clue about oled or display technologies in general.

yep, this is exactly what i'm talking about. the cope about "LCD slider" is also cute. they literally have _no_ idea what they are talking about.

these people are literally impossible to talk with and are probably like this in other areas too. just don't bother.

EDIT: thanks to my fans for the bozos! sadly it doesn't change the facts. i imagine that's something this type tries to do often when faced with critical thinking. i'm going to buy a sick startup movie for my OLED steam deck now

i hope your VIBRANCY SLIDER® is keeping the dark clouds away. i hear if you wish hard enough, your contrast ratio also improves. magical

i've trialed it for a week now and it's been pure bliss switching between the OLED steam deck and my big ole' LG OLED. kudos to valve for releasing a revision with modern display tech, as once you go OLED, you can't go back

i'm sending vibes out to anyone who doesn't have OLEDs in 2023:

{{vibes}} {{vibes}}

[The Nintendo Patent Lawsuit Fest]

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Yes, in a way that implies I said something I didn't say. The other points have already been addressed.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I quoted your post. If you have a problem with people
quoting your posts, don't participate in discussions.

Bro

Just bro. I have no other words for your. The density is overwhelming

Originally posted by ?legit:

This is ironic.

Tell me about irony and personal attacks, master of VRR and master of personally attacking people. Just go away, it's better for everyone

Originally posted by ?legit:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

I really just said the image quality is not much worse off. Plus, if you want "insane contrast" you use HDR. Which admittedly the Deck has but it didn't need OLED for that

"Image quality is not much worse off?" This is objectively false. Image quality can be tested objectively with a colorimeter, the steam deck only has a 65% srgb color coverage.

Too bad your 65% srgb doesn't translate to the real life impressions a human has when viewing the display

Like do you look at displays and go "omg it only has 65% srgb the image quality is so bad"?? No you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ don't, be honest for once in your life

Originally posted by ?legit:

"if you want insane contrast, you use HDR". This is objectively false. HDR makes certain parts of the image brighter, but doesn't give you perfect black levels, like OLED does.

Guess what it means for contrast when "certain parts of the image are brighter" LMAO
Are the black levels "perfect"? No, but they can get pretty damn close on an LCD

Originally posted by ?legit:

Oh, and did you know that HDR isn't limited to LCD displays? You can have HDR on OLED too...

Oh no way, quote king, tell me more about that when I literally said the OLED Deck has HDR. If you love to quote so much it's funny you forgot to quote that part just to to BS me more (Go away)

Originally posted by ?legit:

Best part so far was the post with a vibrancy slider:

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

I've had OLED phones for a while and so I knew of the qualities of these screens, but comparatively I never felt the Deck's LCD display was much worse off with the inofficial vibrancy slider set to 118 for me.

Okay... The vibrancy slider does NOT make the display better though. In fact, colors will even look more offsetted. Furthermore a vibrancy slider doesn't fix the severe hardware restrictions of the display. The lcd steam deck only has around 65% srgb color gamut. That is beyond terrible.

Your posts so far only show that you have absolutely no clue about oled or display technologies in general.

Your post only shows that you love completely and utterly misunderstanding people and then continuously argue a strawman even after being told so
All I say is "the display is not that much worse off after applying a little fix" and you interpret all this other ♥♥♥♥ into it that I never said

Stop arguing people for things they didn't say, Jesus Christ

Oh, and get your eyes checked. Most people see gameplay when they look at screens while playing a game, it seems all you see is a huge "65%" and it tells your brain everything is terrible. That sounds like no way to be my guy

[Drak3]

Originally posted by 🏌 Jerry ✡️ VRcia 🏓:

OLED is far superior to other mass market display tech. i don't bother arguing with people that think otherwise in 2023 because they are:

1) living in the past
2) ignorant

Claiming OLED is “far superior” is living in the past. I’m not sure which ronic arguing otherwise is stronger, ‘i’ or ‘mo’.

OLED is a decades old tech that has a set of purposes it fills. It’s not outright superior to LCDs. Hell, we can achieve high contrast and true blacks on LCDs. Only reason OLED dominates the small form factor devices is because it can do so cheaper and mini LED doesn’t scale down that well yet.

Originally posted by 💀 Deadward 💀:

Ask Apple how Mini LED worked in their iPad Pro. As someone who used it, the blooming was horrible.

Blooming really isn’t even a remotely horrid issue on the second gen XDR iPad Pros or MacBook Pros, at all. It’s a pretty far stretch to claim otherwise.
Even on the first gen XDR iPad Pro 12.9”, the “issue” wasn’t near universal.

[some1pl]

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Turned out this was not the case, the Deck OLED feels like regular old OLED to me. So no idea what that was about... it's weird how I wasn't even in it for the OLED, to it becoming something I WAS excited about after a silly podcast, only to now be disappointed again that it doesn't do anything different than my OLED phones...

It looks like you got hyped too much. Steam Deck OLED has a very good screen, but that's about what you can expect from most OLED screens on the market. It doesn't have the very high PPI of smartphone displays, so it will never look as sharp as those. It's very bright but that mostly matters for outdoor use and some specific HDR content. And it has wide color gamut coverage, but most screens do these days.

Realistically, there isn't much that can be further improved with these handheld screens, OLED or otherwise. Increasing screen resolution or refresh rate is an option, but that comes with much higher performance requirements, and we're always constrained on a portable gaming device. Brightness is already at a point where it's not comfortable to use at max setting indoors most of the time. And bumping colors without properly encoded content that takes advantage of extra color space simply causes everything to be oversaturated, so it can't be pushed much beyond what we currently have.

[Mahjik]

Originally posted by Trading McGone™:

Anyway, I'm curious what other people think. Have you used OLED displays before and feel like OLED on the Deck is important?

I would say comparing the Deck OLED screen to a phone or TV OLED, its not revolutionary. However, comparing the Deck OLED to the Deck LCD, for me it's like night and day even if a game doesn't support HDR. The dynamic range is much better than the LCD which really brings out the colors.

I have the 256gb LCD Deck so I didn't have an etched screen previously. I do have the etched screen on the OLED and really do like it. Much more than I thought I would.

Is the OLED necessary? Nope. There are very good LCD panels out there. However, I don't think it would have looked like a good Deck revision with just a "better LCD" included. I do believe the marketing of "OLED" is warranted for a revision.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by Jcee:

tbh i wish it came with a resolution bump (atleast at the premium tier) to 1440p
Yes most games wouldnt be able to utilize it, especially at 90hz, but that doesn't mean it cant default to 720p for those games, and really shine with less demanding content like movies, or old games.

Speaking of; it would be quite nice if they added a media tab to the steam OS, that had a media player, the browser, and 3rd party providers like netflix, or spotify (with options to run music in the background for games, and if im being really greedy, the ability to detect ingame dialogs and automatically adjust music volume to keep said dialogs understandable.)

This is something the deck needs (in game mode), I’m surprised there hasn’t been any progress in this area. That way you could play video files off of SSDs/Flash Drives. Even the Nintendo Switch has Hulu and Youtube. Do people buy a Steam Deck for streaming/local playback of video? No, but why not add it as a way to offer more value? Dedicated apps would be a better experience than trying to use a browser in desktop mode. And if Linux is anything like Windows, then HDR support would not be supported in a web browser for most streaming services.

[Kimi Chow]

Is it so hard to acknowledge the excellence of OLED?

I own an iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro, both equipped with top-tier LCD screens (Mini LED). However, there's simply no comparison when it comes to OLED, especially in low-light environments. Just imagine, at night, turning off all the lights, opening my MacBook Pro, and playing Star Wars. The moment the lightsaber appears, you realize there's no comparison between Mini LED and OLED. If you watch movies with subtitles, you understand how uncomfortable the blooming effect of Mini LED can be.

During the day, it's fine, but at night, OLED is the best choice. I'd rather have my MacBook lower its resolution if it means having an OLED screen.

The OLED on the Steam Deck replaces the color-inferior, backlight-leaking LCD. There's nothing more to discuss - it's a straightforward purchase.

[The Nintendo Patent Lawsuit Fest]

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

Is it so hard to acknowledge the excellence of OLED?

Is it so hard to acknowledge that it's not that much better and that LCD-based displays can look great too?

[Kimi Chow]

Originally posted by Seduce Me:

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

Is it so hard to acknowledge the excellence of OLED?

Is it so hard to acknowledge that it's not that much better and that LCD-based displays can look great too?

There are indeed good MINI LEDs in the world, but they are certainly not the junk LCDs on the old Steam Deck.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

Is it so hard to acknowledge the excellence of OLED?

I own an iPad Pro and a MacBook Pro, both equipped with top-tier LCD screens (Mini LED). However, there's simply no comparison when it comes to OLED, especially in low-light environments. Just imagine, at night, turning off all the lights, opening my MacBook Pro, and playing Star Wars. The moment the lightsaber appears, you realize there's no comparison between Mini LED and OLED. If you watch movies with subtitles, you understand how uncomfortable the blooming effect of Mini LED can be.

During the day, it's fine, but at night, OLED is the best choice. I'd rather have my MacBook lower its resolution if it means having an OLED screen.

The OLED on the Steam Deck replaces the color-inferior, backlight-leaking LCD. There's nothing more to discuss - it's a straightforward purchase.

It’s a matter of perspective and priorities, yes OLED is better overall but not everyone is hyper-focused on display technology and the shortcomings of LCD to the point that they are ready to throw out their OG Steam Deck because of the existence of the OLED model. If the latest Steam Deck offered more performance and OLED then I’d be willing to pull the trigger but just a more efficient chip and an OLED screen alone is not enough to be worth the upgrade when I just paid $600 for my OG Deck like a year ago. Some people have lives that means they can’t just replace every panel in their life with OLED screens, no matter how much people gush about them. Not everyone has a budget that allows them thousands to burn on Mini-LED MacBooks and iPads and OLED TVs and Steam Decks. Were out here trying to enjoy life on our IPS displays because we got dealt a bad hand, economically speaking 😂.

[The Nintendo Patent Lawsuit Fest]

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

There are indeed good MINI LEDs in the world, but they are certainly not the junk LCDs on the old Steam Deck.:mhwgood:

The OG Steam Deck looks fine to me

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by Seduce Me:

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

There are indeed good MINI LEDs in the world, but they are certainly not the junk LCDs on the old Steam Deck.:mhwgood:

The OG Steam Deck looks fine to me

I’m impressed with how much better the LCD screen looks after the Steam OS 3.5 update compared to using the vibrant deck plugin from decky loader, even with saturation turned up all the way, it looks better than the old plugin by quite a lot to me.

[[?]legit]

Originally posted by Seduce Me:

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

Is it so hard to acknowledge the excellence of OLED?

Is it so hard to acknowledge that it's not that much better and that LCD-based displays can look great too?

Absolutely not, this makes no sense.

Originally posted by Seduce Me:

Originally posted by 番茄炒鸡蛋:

There are indeed good MINI LEDs in the world, but they are certainly not the junk LCDs on the old Steam Deck.:mhwgood:

The OG Steam Deck looks fine to me

lmao