Kinda shocked on the oled version

[Magicinjection]

So I bought the 64gb deck near the middle of September of this year I'm kind of puzzled why steam didn't notify customers of the oled version coming in November and to direct them to that instead cause I would have prefered the oled version especially for the battery life and bigger screen and most of all less fan nosie and heat. I don't hate steam or valve I have been a major supporter for over 10 years I built my first pc just to have steam but I do feel a little let down that I'm seeing this after two in a half months of owning the base deck does anyone else feel steam should have directed customers to the oled model ?especially with them knowing it was going to be released in November? I respect everyones opinion and would like to know what deck owner's and steam users think of this?

[Drak3]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Why buy a SD OLED when you can probably get a ROG Ally OLED in like a year or two?

Oh! Oh! Teacher, pick me! I know this one!


You’d pick the Steam Deck for GUI/UX. It’s far easier and nicer to use SteamOS than it is to use Windows with a compatability/GUI on top.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

What revisions?

The OLED has hardware revisions along with the OLED screen. It has a smaller APU, WiFi 6E, slightly bigger screen(because of smaller bezels), a larger battery, and the OLED screen(of course).

Yes, but there are no LCD models with those revisions.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

The OLED has hardware revisions along with the OLED screen. It has a smaller APU, WiFi 6E, slightly bigger screen(because of smaller bezels), a larger battery, and the OLED screen(of course).

Yes, but there are no LCD models with those revisions.

Yeah, I edited my comment with a correction.

[Waldherz]

Originally posted by PopinFRESH:

Originally posted by ?legit:

...LCD screens can have fantastic colors too, and don't drain the battery as fast....

Are you saying LCDs draw less power than the OLEDs? That is patently false. OLEDs don't require a backlight, and will draw less power per-pixel depending on the luminescence of the individual pixel; e.g. completely black pixels aren't drawing any power.

OLEDs absolutely draw MORE power than comparable LCDs in average situations.
I have an LG C2. That thing drinks power like its trying to also charge a car at the same time.
Even at just 30% brightness and HDR off.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

Yes, but there are no LCD models with those revisions.

Yeah, I edited my comment with a correction.

Oh, I see. Sorry, then.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Originally posted by Drak3:

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Why buy a SD OLED when you can probably get a ROG Ally OLED in like a year or two?

Oh! Oh! Teacher, pick me! I know this one!


You’d pick the Steam Deck for GUI/UX. It’s far easier and nicer to use SteamOS than it is to use Windows with a compatability/GUI on top.

Valve is planning on releasing SteamOS for Windows devices, so we could see it running on a ROG Ally soon. I have the original Steam Deck, but I don't think the OLED is worth the upgrade personally if I was to buy another handheld. It gets better battery life, but the performance difference is negligible between the OG model. If I was to buy another handheld, it would be the Ally because you can play more games on Windows and the performance is better.

[Drak3]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Originally posted by Drak3:

Oh! Oh! Teacher, pick me! I know this one!


You’d pick the Steam Deck for GUI/UX. It’s far easier and nicer to use SteamOS than it is to use Windows with a compatability/GUI on top.

Valve is planning on releasing SteamOS for Windows devices, so we could see it running on a ROG Ally soon.

That assumes that the ROG Ally plays nicely with SteamOS. Plus, there’s the fact that the Ally’s battery life is abyssmal and it cooks SD cards.

Valve’s also been wanting to release SteamOS 3 for awhile now. No telling when (or if) it releases.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Originally posted by Drak3:

Oh! Oh! Teacher, pick me! I know this one!


You’d pick the Steam Deck for GUI/UX. It’s far easier and nicer to use SteamOS than it is to use Windows with a compatability/GUI on top.

Valve is planning on releasing SteamOS for Windows devices, so we could see it running on a ROG Ally soon. I have the original Steam Deck, but I don't think the OLED is worth the upgrade personally if I was to buy another handheld. It gets better battery life, but the performance difference is negligible between the OG model. If I was to buy another handheld, it would be the Ally because you can play more games on Windows and the performance is better.

They didn't advertise the OLED as a boost to performance.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Valve is planning on releasing SteamOS for Windows devices, so we could see it running on a ROG Ally soon. I have the original Steam Deck, but I don't think the OLED is worth the upgrade personally if I was to buy another handheld. It gets better battery life, but the performance difference is negligible between the OG model. If I was to buy another handheld, it would be the Ally because you can play more games on Windows and the performance is better.

They didn't advertise the OLED as a boost to performance.

No, but there is a slight performance increase, nothing big but some are still using the 5-7% increase as an excuse to be upset. It comes from the faster LPDDR5 memory, it’s not meaningful but there is a difference.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

They didn't advertise the OLED as a boost to performance.

No, but there is a slight performance increase, nothing big but some are still using the 5-7% increase as an excuse to be upset. It comes from the faster LPDDR5 memory, it’s not meaningful but there is a difference.

It's probably more due to the higher refresh rate since now games that could be run above 60fps now will run above 60fps.

Unless there's a side-by-side of games that dipped below 60fps no longer dipping.

[MancSoulja]

Originally posted by BlackDragon875:

Originally posted by Drak3:

Oh! Oh! Teacher, pick me! I know this one!


You’d pick the Steam Deck for GUI/UX. It’s far easier and nicer to use SteamOS than it is to use Windows with a compatability/GUI on top.

Valve is planning on releasing SteamOS for Windows devices, so we could see it running on a ROG Ally soon. I have the original Steam Deck, but I don't think the OLED is worth the upgrade personally if I was to buy another handheld. It gets better battery life, but the performance difference is negligible between the OG model. If I was to buy another handheld, it would be the Ally because you can play more games on Windows and the performance is better.

What are you on about, "Steam OS for Windows devices",

Steam OS is a branch of Debian, it has nothing to do with Windows, you can installl Steam OS on a Ally right now but there's no drivers. Valve can't make drivers only AMD and Asus can.

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

I don't care about Valve, I'm too young to remember when they actually made games, they have always just been the company that owns Steam and who doesn't develop games anymore (for unknown reasons). They are just a business to me, and businesses generally only care about making money. But at least they aren't publicly traded and beholden to shareholders and chasing constant growth like Nvidia, Microsoft, Sony, and others that control the gaming space and that get up to worse, more anti-consumer behavior than Valve does.

We have no hard data about Steam Deck OLED returns, you are just taking first-hand reports and assuming there will be this massive series of returns from people who bought one. Maybe that will happen, maybe not.

By the way, the definition of scalping - is to unofficially resell an item for a price higher than the standard retail price, it only happens when the product in question can't be bought legitimately from the original source. You are making up definitions just like you are making up "Valve is facing down the barrel of thousands of returns". People just write whatever nonsense crosses their mind in this place.

Selling PS5s and Xbox Series X for $1000-$1200 on ebay is scalping. Valve reducing the price after introducing a new model (or selling them at a discount before dropping the price later) is not scalping.

I can agree the other user does seem to be a bit eccentric however that does not mean he is entirely wrong about users and customers being tilted about feeling short handed. There was a better way to handle this and they dropped the ball. They needed to announce the release of the OLED much sooner. I held off up to about a month before the BIG SALE and honestly I feel outright cheated for my 512 I paid full price for at the time. All this has taught users is to just wait indefinitely and to lack faith in VALVe/Steam.

Now I am not gonna lie or pretend like I will just stop using Steam or that I detest them because the truth is I love this company apart from this choice they made. The big problem for me with this is that even if I had wanted to resell my "like new" legit hardly used Steam Deck I will have to sell it lower than that of the company Steam themselves for an unopened unit. That is a terrible loss on my part for having faith in this company only for them to release this new version out from under me when they in interviews and news reports that they let go on continue the redirect that there wont be a new variant for at least till 2025. That is quite the discrepancy from then to now.

I think the reason you and people that are parroting what you are saying are getting backlash from users and customers on here in such high volume is because people feel that you are discounting the issue and underplaying it as if there is no issue. There is an issue here however "in their right as a company" they are to do as they like with their products and marketing as they like. This is also what the forums are for so that they can gauge customer and public confidence and reviews as well as consumer insight. This is valuable data to them for future releases and future engagement.

I have no doubt that nothing will come of this apart from disgruntled and burned customers. That is business. However you shouldn't be so quick to quiet the people who have experienced something such as this that you have not in this situation because many people just want to vent and need an outlet. (Not speaking on behalf of the gentleman you are in a dispute with but just from a sociological stance.)

[This was meant in good faith conversation and not to enrage anyone so please keep it civil and thank you for the engagement.]:RT_moon:

I’m not trying to quiet anyone, I’m just voicing my opinion. I understand being angry at Valve about the situation, I just disagree with expecting compensation from Valve because of a product they bought at a discount, simply because of another product existing and releasing afterwards. And it seems really weird to be deeming the OLED as a failure just because some people have deal pixels and a few other issues, then saying it’s karma for Valve’s evil deeds against the consumers who were tricked into buying LCD steam decks.

I feel for them in a way because Steam Deck was a first generation product, so there was no guidelines to go by in terms of expecting a successor like there would be for something like an Nvidia Graphics card or a console from Sony or Nintendo. I can imagine feeling a little burned, it’s just that this is the chance you take when you buy a piece of hardware. All these companies are secretive about future products, they rarely confirm anything until the moment they are ready to announce the next device. It’s ok to not have the newest thing, the OLED model has a better display and longer battery life but that’s really about it. It’s 75% the same as the device they bought, it’s really not worth (IMO) getting all bitter inside and choosing to stay upset over two products that are so similar. I think they should work on looking at the situation in this way, instead of FOMO’ing themselves to death and then using that as fuel to stay upset with Valve. What is it gonna achieve in the end?

[Jedimindtrickonyou]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

No, but there is a slight performance increase, nothing big but some are still using the 5-7% increase as an excuse to be upset. It comes from the faster LPDDR5 memory, it’s not meaningful but there is a difference.

It's probably more due to the higher refresh rate since now games that could be run above 60fps now will run above 60fps.

Unless there's a side-by-side of games that dipped below 60fps no longer dipping.

Digital Foundry has already compared games running side by side on both models, like cyberpunk and Spider-Man, running with unlocked frame rates (neither can even run at 60 on either model but they run like 5fps faster on the OLED model). It’s from the memory speeds, this makes a performance difference for AMD APUs. Faster memory results in more memory bandwidth for the deck’s iGPU.

https://youtu.be/Z1KLj06fn2s?si=4IpfaTvps_BLJmJp&t=434

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

It's probably more due to the higher refresh rate since now games that could be run above 60fps now will run above 60fps.

Unless there's a side-by-side of games that dipped below 60fps no longer dipping.

Digital Foundry has already compared games running side by side on both models, like cyberpunk and Spider-Man, running with unlocked frame rates (neither can even run at 60 on either model but they run like 5fps faster on the OLED model). It’s from the memory speeds, this makes a performance difference for AMD APUs. Faster memory results in more memory bandwidth for the deck’s iGPU.

https://youtu.be/Z1KLj06fn2s?si=4IpfaTvps_BLJmJp&t=434

Interesting.

[DeadboyEzra]

Originally posted by jedimindtrickonyou:

Originally posted by Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:

I can agree the other user does seem to be a bit eccentric however that does not mean he is entirely wrong about users and customers being tilted about feeling short handed. There was a better way to handle this and they dropped the ball. They needed to announce the release of the OLED much sooner. I held off up to about a month before the BIG SALE and honestly I feel outright cheated for my 512 I paid full price for at the time. All this has taught users is to just wait indefinitely and to lack faith in VALVe/Steam.

Now I am not gonna lie or pretend like I will just stop using Steam or that I detest them because the truth is I love this company apart from this choice they made. The big problem for me with this is that even if I had wanted to resell my "like new" legit hardly used Steam Deck I will have to sell it lower than that of the company Steam themselves for an unopened unit. That is a terrible loss on my part for having faith in this company only for them to release this new version out from under me when they in interviews and news reports that they let go on continue the redirect that there wont be a new variant for at least till 2025. That is quite the discrepancy from then to now.

I think the reason you and people that are parroting what you are saying are getting backlash from users and customers on here in such high volume is because people feel that you are discounting the issue and underplaying it as if there is no issue. There is an issue here however "in their right as a company" they are to do as they like with their products and marketing as they like. This is also what the forums are for so that they can gauge customer and public confidence and reviews as well as consumer insight. This is valuable data to them for future releases and future engagement.

I have no doubt that nothing will come of this apart from disgruntled and burned customers. That is business. However you shouldn't be so quick to quiet the people who have experienced something such as this that you have not in this situation because many people just want to vent and need an outlet. (Not speaking on behalf of the gentleman you are in a dispute with but just from a sociological stance.)

[This was meant in good faith conversation and not to enrage anyone so please keep it civil and thank you for the engagement.]

I’m not trying to quiet anyone, I’m just voicing my opinion. I understand being angry at Valve about the situation, I just disagree with expecting compensation from Valve because of a product they bought at a discount, simply because of another product existing and releasing afterwards. And it seems really weird to be deeming the OLED as a failure just because some people have deal pixels and a few other issues, then saying it’s karma for Valve’s evil deeds against the consumers who were tricked into buying LCD steam decks.

I feel for them in a way because Steam Deck was a first generation product, so there was no guidelines to go by in terms of expecting a successor like there would be for something like an Nvidia Graphics card or a console from Sony or Nintendo. I can imagine feeling a little burned, it’s just that this is the chance you take when you buy a piece of hardware. All these companies are secretive about future products, they rarely confirm anything until the moment they are ready to announce the next device. It’s ok to not have the newest thing, the OLED model has a better display and longer battery life but that’s really about it. It’s 75% the same as the device they bought, it’s really not worth (IMO) getting all bitter inside and choosing to stay upset over two products that are so similar. I think they should work on looking at the situation in this way, instead of FOMO’ing themselves to death and then using that as fuel to stay upset with Valve. What is it gonna achieve in the end?

True in many ways I would say.

I personally have both the 512 original and the LE 1T and honestly there is a noticable difference. I used to get dropped frames from vampire survivors at high levels on the 512. Like really bad. So bad sometimes I would have to pause the game and let it breathe for a minute. Not to mention the overheating I would get. Literally would cause discomfort from the heat it would put out. However on the OLED LE 1T it is not really a problem. Every once in a rare moment I can see a frame spot but very rarely. There is no overheating full stop. This also has to be a contributor to the better battery life. The old 512 original would burn through it's charge for me inside an hour and on this it lasts all day. I only really play vampire survivors on there so for context there you go. I did for a short time on my old one play Man Eater but I don't count that because it was a brief game for me.

I do agree that people should maybe consider what they are saying as a whole about Steam/VALVe more carefully over this one thing that is in my opinion the one glaring sin they did but even that is debatable to be fair. This company has been on the gamers side since the beginning.

For me again I didn't even get mine on discount. It was literally like a month later they put it on sale for me and I was really upset about that. It was like a couple hundred dollar difference. Then after that sale was about half over they say they will continue it till they are phased out only to speak on this new mythical model they had been denying for about a year.

As I said I am a bit burned and I certainly see your point and there is much validity to it. I do think people are overreacting as well the idea that it was intended to wound anyone is just silly. The most I could consider it is greed but really once again that is just business. A company must do what it must do to make the bottom line. I think it would be wise however for Steam/VALVe to consider things a little better for their loyalists in the future though going forward.